But I think the better questions to ask are "Why do audiences want this" and "How do they signal that demand to new inexperienced comics"
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All performers want validation. Stand-up most of all -- telling jokes to a silent crowd is called "dying" bc it literally feels like dying
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And it's amplified thousands of times when you're a member of a group that's not "supposed" to be on stage
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Like, ok, full disclosure, I used to be kind of a Whitney Cummings hater, especially back in '11 when the world was her oyster
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And I stand by my opinion that the show Whitney was bad and the more popular show she created 2 Broke Girls was a cancer on sitcoms
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And Whitney Cummings is like the avatar of what Iliza is talking about -- at the time she was the Brand Ambassador for Vagina Humor
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And so I'd get super frustrated abt it and hatewatch her sets on YouTube to compared them with say Maria Bamford just to get myself madder
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And I noticed that there were old sets and newer sets and that she had in fact "evolved", and the evolution was clearly toward More Vagina
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Like she did get dramatically better over time -- which you'd hope anyone would -- and as usual much of that was "tightening" the material
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But it was really clear that in chasing the big laugh lines her more rambly/personal/sincere stuff got stripped down
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And the bits became more "effective" by jumping straight to "Hey guys so this is what's weird about giving blowjobs" etc
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She became very good at reading the room and giving ppl what they wanted, which their signaling wasn't subtle about at all really
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And her comedy is still really not to my taste but imo it's such a clear cut case of "Don't hate the player hate the game"
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