I haven’t seen clear lines for where the concept of “A replicable pattern can be named” should stop if stopped earlier/smaller, elsewhere
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Replying to @chrysopoetics @BootlegGirl
Well keep in mind the original meaning of "trope" was actually specific repeated phrases in a genre that you could use to identify it
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Like, an actual synonym of "trope" would be "cliche"; TV Tropes became what it is bc of their "Tropes Are Not Cliches" decision
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So an actual trope is the villain literally confronting the hero saying "We're not so different, you and I"
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TV Tropes broadens the definition of "trope" w the general "Not So Different Speech", which is ok, sure
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But then you get "Not So Different" itself not being a trope, as in the trope exists whenever the hero and villain are similar
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And then it's not a trope at all, it's just, like, a description of a fact about the story
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TV Tropes itself ran into the issue of having to segregate huge lists of tropes bc they can't even be justified as authorial decisions
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So the "Actor was in a similar movie once before" tropes go under Trivia
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And the "Fans didn't like the sequel" trope (which isn't even an actual trope of the story itself) goes under YMMV
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It really seems like a big part of what they mean by "trope" is more properly "storytelling convention", as in deviation from real life
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Hence the idea that giving a realistic-sounding explanation for a "trope" makes it a "justified trope"
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