I'm going to try to gather the energy to actually talk about the TERFs in the replies here rather than just yelling at them -- The thing is, TERF ideology makes the hypothetical in the OP logically impossible and meaningless This is why TERFism is a form of "biopessimism"https://twitter.com/sadydoyle/status/1384145600455737350 …
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The TERF worldview is that the DEFINITION of a man is someone in the "sex class" that doesn't get pregnant and can't miscarry The hypothetical is a contradiction in terms - like a Marxist saying "Well if capitalists had to work for a living then jobs wouldn't suck so much"
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Replying to @arthur_affect
It’s really not. A woman is an adult human female, and it’s not a TERF definition, it’s the only definition. Similarly, a man is an adult male human.
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Okay, so you agree that the hypothetical "What if men could have miscarriages?" is meaningless, then? Did you read the thread or are you a term searcher who just spams this at people
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Replying to @arthur_affect
I read the thread, and like I alluded to, it seems dumb as dirt when you pretend like these evil people have some bizarre definition of a word that every normal person ever has had, because it’s literally the definition.
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Replying to @StitchyBetsy
Okay, so don't argue with me, argue with the writer of the original article If that's the definition then the statement "If men could miscarry, miscarriages would be taken seriously" is a completely meaningless thing to say
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Replying to @arthur_affect @StitchyBetsy
If anything, it just shows that there needs to be a distinguisher. "cis men" and the meaning is no longer ambiguous and has the intended meaning.
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Replying to @matrixman124 @StitchyBetsy
I would argue the statement "If cis men could get pregnant, pregnancy would be taken more seriously" is, broadly speaking, true, but implies a lot of things that that anodyne statement doesn't really encompass, which is why it's so easy to dunk on (from all political sides)
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If "cis men" could get pregnant then a lot of things about the definition of a "cis man" would be very different The useful thing, I guess, is the inclusion of the word "cis" is a signal that "men" was always a socially defined arbitrary category to begin with
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Like my whole take, based on thinking about that stupid Sliders episode I saw with my mom, is that if we lived in something like the world of that episode -- assuming the culture is totally different but human biology is unchanged -- then "women" would be CALLED "men"
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Just, you know, based on the history of the words "man" and "woman" in the English language The "dominant sex" is the one that gets to be the unmarked default, etc.
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