Like, the way these conversations generally go nowadays is someone posts a meme like this, and then a trans man goes "Uhhh trans men DO menstruate and get pregnant" and then the TERFs pile on going "And it didn't change anything, did it? Which proves trans men aren't men!"
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Because as angry as TERFs are about patriarchy their initial impulse is always to surrender to it But leaving aside that out trans men are <1% of the population so asking "Why haven't you changed all of society yet?" is somewhat unfair trans men DO talk about how it IS different
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This is out of my lane to directly talk about and in particular the question "do trans men experience misogyny?" is fraught Trans men are, still, a very small minority in the total population, and one with a wide diversity of experiences, especially in terms of "passing"
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But transition does fuck with how people perceive you and how they treat you - by nature, that's the whole point And transphobia against trans men is not the same thing as misogyny - I would argue the intensity of it from cis women IDed as feminists demonstrates that
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I think it IS possible to imagine a world where "the men get pregnant and still have male privilege", and the ferocity of people's attacks on transition are because they fear such a world and how it would destabilize their worldview
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one thing i hadn't realized that i think this article brought out is the specific mechanism by which mumset radicalized so many british women: their experience of childbirth was their first big hit of misogyny https://lux-magazine.com/article/the-road-to-terfdom/ …
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as you said long ago, "they're so close to the brass ring they can taste it"-- then this viscerally biological thing slaps them out of it and they go to this forum and build their whole identity around that experience
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and you can say a lot of things about terfism but it is a /worldview/, a weltanschauung, it /makes sense of things/, and especially it delivers this extremely useful verdict "you are the suffering righteous and this is who you need to hurt to fix things"
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And one way in which this current TERF subculture comes off as so condescending and absurdly middle-class is that they think of this as a universal experience "You'll understand one day when you have a baby"
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That they really thought life was basically fine and didn't really know what misogyny was until getting pregnant was the first big shock of jumping categories in people's minds from a fellow subject to an object with only instrumental value
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And they've no empathy for the many women who've been subject to intense misogyny for way longer than that, often *much more* intense misogyny *because* the role of "mother" is unavailable to them With transmisogyny being the most intense version of it
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I mean TERFs are always adjacent to SWERFs and even though the smart ones will give you the whole spiel about "I don't hate sex workers, I think punitive laws are ultimately the only way to save them" etc etc the ordinary ones wear the Madonna/Whore shit on their sleeve
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Most of the Mumsnet TERFs weren't coerced into motherhood, most of them would get incredibly pissed at you if you suggested they regret motherhood (even though they obviously do) or suggested "Well why not just tell women to not have kids then"
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