The hunger to imagine a world where things can be different, to imagine a definition of "men" that ISN'T "rooted in the facts of reproductive biology", to pull the oppressive structures of our world apart, ever so slowly, and rearrange them
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Like, the way these conversations generally go nowadays is someone posts a meme like this, and then a trans man goes "Uhhh trans men DO menstruate and get pregnant" and then the TERFs pile on going "And it didn't change anything, did it? Which proves trans men aren't men!"
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Because as angry as TERFs are about patriarchy their initial impulse is always to surrender to it But leaving aside that out trans men are <1% of the population so asking "Why haven't you changed all of society yet?" is somewhat unfair trans men DO talk about how it IS different
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This is out of my lane to directly talk about and in particular the question "do trans men experience misogyny?" is fraught Trans men are, still, a very small minority in the total population, and one with a wide diversity of experiences, especially in terms of "passing"
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But transition does fuck with how people perceive you and how they treat you - by nature, that's the whole point And transphobia against trans men is not the same thing as misogyny - I would argue the intensity of it from cis women IDed as feminists demonstrates that
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I think it IS possible to imagine a world where "the men get pregnant and still have male privilege", and the ferocity of people's attacks on transition are because they fear such a world and how it would destabilize their worldview
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Just like, contra what my mom (and the writers of Sliders) thought, our world isn't the result of some inevitable evolutionary pathway where everything about "femininity" and "masculinity" ended up a specific way
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You can look at other cultures all over the place where those Lego pieces arranged themselves differently, and doing so upsets people (CS Lewis getting pissed off about papers on ancient Greek homosexuality and yelling "Don't tell me all the warriors in the Iliad were pansies")
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I personally love the matriarchal Chinese village where nothing was expected of men. Though I'm disabled so a life of fishing and helping with the kids sounds great to me.
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I have always found Ursula K. Le Guin's "The Matter of Seggri" fascinating, as her own attempt to sail the ideologically fraught waters of imagining a matriarchal society and imagining men being oppressed by matriarchy
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And part of the way she did it to try to make it feel real and not like corny whiny MRA shit is having explorers from a patriarchal Earth society visit Seggri and *not even realize it was a matriarchy*
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Visiting the men in their walled fortress saying "Wow, these men really like sports and competition I admire that, but I do think these men work their women just a *little* too hard and they're a *little* too lazy and complacent about running their city"
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"I tried to ask the king of this place who was in charge of what exactly and he didn't even know! His wives organize everything without him! All he seemed to be interested in is the games, and if you ask me his wives could stand to rein in their husbands' machismo just a bit"
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