Actually, fair point, I think that Bucky Definitely lacked the mens rea for murder. He may be said to have manslaughtered in cold blood, perhaps.
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Replying to @bazzalisk @BootlegGirl and
Law is not equipped to handle mind control.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl and
I dunno, the concept of duress and diminished responsibility seems to apply pretty well.
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Replying to @bazzalisk @loudpenitent and
look if i were in court i'd start with duress and diminished responsibility but penitent is right here, our legal concepts of mens rea is just not built for a world in which literal brainwashing is possible
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Replying to @perdricof @bazzalisk and
and, watson-wise, it's made very clear that bucky was under pretty much total mind control for his entire tenure as the winter soldier there's no good argument to the effect that (watson-wise) he's Actually Responsibly for those murders
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Replying to @perdricof @bazzalisk and
I mean "realistically" speaking nobody would actually care they'd scream for Bucky's head because they want a head on a pike, and/or the state would want him dead to keep things covered up. Justice has nothing to do with it any more than anything else RE: Supers.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @perdricof and
Honestly, modern celebrity culture such as it is, and his Actually Saving The World Multiple Times, I feel like "captain america vouches for him and the US government disagrees" is probably a fairly credible premise for "and that's how the federal government dissolved"
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Replying to @Cybren @perdricof and
Quite possibly, but ofc an implicit part of many supers narratives is that the masses are either venal or too dependent upon the status quo to be in favor of superheroes... See: Karli's vapid "that shield should be destroyed!" when it's the symbol of an org who SAVED EXISTENCE.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @Cybren and
Like, there's just no version of the MCU where people not going "holy fucking shit the Avengers SAVED THE UNIVERSE, in a well-known event, and also brought back TRILLIONS OF LIVES," does not result in people like Karli being told to fuck off and die, w/o people being Bad.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @Cybren and
I actually wonder how unpopular the position "The Snap should not have been reversed" would actually be Like I think Karli, from her limited selfish POV, does have a point, but her ideology effectively makes her a retroactive Child of Thanos
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And I think if this wacky shit actually happened one of the predictable results would be tons of humans setting up a religion where you could actually sign up to be the Children of Thanos An idea Marvel obviously doesn't want to actually touch
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
(But one that the artsier series The Leftovers revolves around - the post-Departure world is a world of warring cults with wildly differing views on what the Departure means, with managing them being the federal government's new full-time job)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
One of the best things about The Leftovers is that the Departure means whatever you want it to mean -- as a character, as a writer, as a viewer. It's kind of marvelous.
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