The funny thing is a huge B-plot of Jessica Jones -- the Nuke and Hellcat arc -- revolves around the idea that there was a fairly well-known super-soldier project in the Army for decades starting with the War on Terror But you know how these subplots go
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Replying to @arthur_affect @saintwalker98 and
The character Will Simpson on Jessica Jones was based on, Nuke, was even clearly a knockoff of Super-Patriot/US Agent when he first appeared in the comics Like they already did this whole thing with the toxic masculinity roid rage stuff on another show
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Replying to @arthur_affect @saintwalker98 and
the "super soldier serum" has this whole legendary aura about it precisely because it produced captain america, but actually 80% of the reason cap was a legend was steve himself now all these idiots are chasing after "the serum!" because they want another legend
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Replying to @perdricof @saintwalker98 and
The amended version of Bruce Banner's backstory in The Incredible Hulk is kind of stupid and weak ("He thought it was just a totally benign vaccine against radiation sickness!") so I tend to headcanon that Bruce was, in fact, deliberately trying to recreate the serum
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Replying to @arthur_affect @saintwalker98 and
"erskine's lost formula" has in fact been recreated many times, it's just erskine's formula was a crazy dangerous procedure and shooting a dude with a bunch of "vita rays" mostly just kills or hideously mutates him steve just rolled a natural 100 on the random table
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Replying to @perdricof @saintwalker98 and
Well hey it made Bruce into this actual like immortal god powered by cosmic energy That's pretty cool, even with, you know, the other stuff
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
I am very attached to the Hulk as a character and how he embodies Erskine's warning that "What is good becomes great, but what is bad becomes worse" -- only with him both things are the same thing (his boundless fucking rage)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
Bruce is at once much stronger and weaker than Steve -- unlike Steve, who never changed from who he was under the serum's influence, Bruce was completely transformed into something terrifying Because Steve has always known, rock-solid, who he is, and Bruce has never known that
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
(Because Steve, as shitty and cruel as his childhood was, is not actually a child of abuse His parents loved him deeply and would never wish him harm, and he knew that up till the day they died, and even when they were gone he always had Bucky)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
I take issue there, Steve's dad did not love him, his dad was an alcoholic who abandoned Steve & his mom
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Yeah I'm going with movie canon here and not comics, the comics took the stuff with his dad and used it to justify Hydra!Steve and that's a whole can of worms
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Replying to @arthur_affect @saintwalker98 and
Wasn't all that eventually returned though? I blanked out Hydra Steve and remember nothing from that era.
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