As time goes on it gets increasingly annoying that out of deference to tradition they keep saying Black Widow's real name is "Natasha Romanoff" and not Natalya Romanova (I mean in-universe I doubt she gives a shit, considering she doesn't remember her parents, but still)
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It's just so clearly a name that was made up by Americans in the '60s who, because it was the Cold War, didn't give a fuck about researching stuff set in Russia Even writing it as "Romanoff" and not "Romanov" feels absurdly old-fashioned today
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Replying to @arthur_affect
I feel like they should reveal she’s, like, not even Russian I mean, her birthdate is in 1984, so at what point before the age of 9 did she murder all those people specifically for Soviet Russia as she states she did in Avengers
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Replying to @BootlegGirl
Well Red Skull calls her the "daughter of Ivan" in Endgame and he apparently knows that supernaturally ("How'd he know your dad's name?" "I dunno, I didn't") so that seems unlikely
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Replying to @BootlegGirl
No, that would be her patronymic name, which in Russia is a middle name -- her middle name would be Ivanovna (and if she were a guy it'd be Ivanovich) Your last name is your family name, which works like it does in English
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
"Romanov" could in theory be a patronymic that stuck as a family name in ancient times (son of a man named Roman, like a family name "Richardson" in English) but most likely means the family is "descended from the Romans" -- that's what it means for the royal House of Romanov
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
The Marvel wiki says her full name, as adjusted by later fans for accuracy, is "Natalya 'Natasha' Alianovna Romanova", which means making her dad's name Ivan is a retcon Or it's a sign that the government officially changed her middle name to cut her ties with her dad
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
I'm not an expert but I *think* "Alianov/na" isn't a real patronymic, it's one of those fake names you give to a bastard -- "alia" is Latin for "stranger/other"
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Oh BTW Chris Claremont is the one who picked up on the fact that her surname is the same as the last royal house of Imperial Russia and started hinting she's the heir to the throne as the daughter of granddaughter of Princess Anastasia
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
This idea, I cannot emphasize enough, is stupid and bad and should lie forgotten forever But it probably won't, especially with all the Millennials who grew up watching the Anastasia movie
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
(Red hair ran in the Romanov line so the romanticized Anastasia is usually imagined as a hot redhead)
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