like it works in, say, INTO THE SPIDER-VERSE when it's miles charging into danger because he's a good kid and he wants to help it's so wildly unnerving when it's "playboy billionaire who should absolutely know better giving a child weapons of war"
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Replying to @perdricof @arthur_affect and
Yeah, exactly! And it's not like Tony is *lacking* in more capable and less morally compromised assistance! There's so many more effective paramilitaries, mercenaries, and low-grade supers introduced even in his prior outings! Peter isn't there for any narrative-sensible reasons.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @perdricof and
Peter is recruited by Tony Stark for entirely marketing and metatextual reasons, and so it's really unworkable to ever explicitly acknowledge it as a plot element. It's a gigantic creaking weakness.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
i actually think it's very in-character. sure, there's lots of metas, but none of them with spider-man's combination of power and weak will like every time this young demigod calls him "mr stark" it's such a hit of dopamine
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Replying to @perdricof @loudpenitent and
The circumstances of Peter Parker siding with Tony Stark are completely different in the comics version of Civil War but it still gets pointed out the Spider-Man being on the pro-reg side makes no sense because he has the most to lose of all of them from government oversight
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
Steve Rogers calls this out, hard, when he and Tony meet to try to discuss terms "Peter is a BOY, Tony, a 33-year-old BOY That poor broken kid had worn his desperation for a father-figure's approval since the day you met And when you saw you could use that you didn't HESITATE"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
Also, post-"CIVIL WAR" it seems pretty clear that he A.) has little intent of actually bringing Spider-Man onto the team same as the other adults after what happened in Germany (keeps telling him to dial it back, even the press event seems like a marketing thing)...
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Replying to @the_moviebob @arthur_affect and
...and B.) Toomes isn't really presented as a good guy who turns bad: He's a *contractor in NYC,* even outside of the superhero genre in movies that means you're already crime/mob adjacent.
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Replying to @the_moviebob
I like that they gave both Toomes and Beck sympathetic motivations without making them the cliche "good guy turned bad." Neither of them were angels, but they were both relatively normal dudes who got royally screwed over by Tony Stark and turned into villains out of desperation.
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Replying to @TheoGary @the_moviebob
Right, I mean Stark's stated reason for canning Beck is that Beck was "unstable", which... given what he ended up doing in revenge, was clearly justified But I mean he *became* unstable after decades of having to put up with Tony's shit
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I guess I'm dating myself with this reference but it's like the underground conspiracy of all of Murphy Brown's embittered fired secretaries
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Toomes and Beck are nothing more than Disney/Marvel propaganda for "This is why Walt and Stan Lee were right to take IP from animators and Kirby and Ditko. They all turned out evil anyway, that justifies our stealing credit."
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