Also, I feel the role of acceptance is massively undervalued. Someone who is in a bigoted environment is less likely to even think about being trans. If parents had regular conversations about gender; the number of people who would be able to identify as GNC would increase
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Replying to @NoTheOtherGuy @Luarien and
See yeah I'm actually perfectly fine with saying trans-accepting parents are more likely to have trans kids, and that there is a "social contagion" of trans acceptance within communities making it more likely for kids to come out
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NoTheOtherGuy and
Why on Earth shouldn't that be true? It'd be absurd to argue that there don't seem to be more gay people around now than in the 1950s It's only when you put a sinister black-and-white gloss on things like this that it becomes a battleground
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NoTheOtherGuy and
This idea of black-and-white definitions -- "You're EITHER trans or cis, you're EITHER gay or straight, you're EITHER male or female" -- that is the essence of homophobic bigotry that LGB Alliance types have tried to retcon into being a big gay tradition
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NoTheOtherGuy and
And I think people fall into the trap of trying to defend ideas like this because they don't want to give oxygen to the idea "conversion therapy works" etc. Which, again, I see as a mistake -- it's not about whether conversion therapy "works", it's a moral atrocity either way
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NoTheOtherGuy and
*Of course* some people who live in a homophobic society who are subjected to conversion therapy will, as a result of this, avoid gay sex and stay in het marriages who otherwise would've Of course that's why they do it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NoTheOtherGuy and
Gonna be honest and say for older people who know the right evangelical codewords, there are also "conversion therapy" programs you can attend that essentially amount to a formalized way of putting yourself back in the closet.
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Replying to @iphone_venez @NoTheOtherGuy and
Right The kind of "conversion therapy" that you usually get today often openly admits they can't actually make you not gay anymore but emphasize you don't have to LIVE as though you were gay
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Replying to @arthur_affect @iphone_venez and
You treat your "homosexual" urges as something you'll have to "manage" for the rest of your life, like a twelve-step program for drinking or gambling
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Replying to @arthur_affect @iphone_venez and
This is why, by the way, people should look askance at the concept of "sex addiction" treated through the twelve-step model, because in the real world these are often religiously based programs directly adjacent to modern gay conversion therapy
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The definition of "addiction" in practice is "any sex that's dysfunctional because it harms my life for any reason, including if that reason is societal bigotry" And the definition of "sobriety" is often explicitly "sex in het marriage and that's it"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @iphone_venez and
I'd trust these people more if they were consistent and were aiming to make "sex addicts" celibate, much like alcoholics can't drink at all.
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Replying to @JoakZieg @arthur_affect and
The absolute abstinence approach advocated by e.g. AA is not very effective in practice (<10%), so it might not be the best model to imitate (though I'm not sure sex addiction is really a thing). I found this 2015 article really interesting:https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-irrationality-of-alcoholics-anonymous/386255/ …
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