See yeah I'm actually perfectly fine with saying trans-accepting parents are more likely to have trans kids, and that there is a "social contagion" of trans acceptance within communities making it more likely for kids to come out
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NoTheOtherGuy and
Why on Earth shouldn't that be true? It'd be absurd to argue that there don't seem to be more gay people around now than in the 1950s It's only when you put a sinister black-and-white gloss on things like this that it becomes a battleground
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NoTheOtherGuy and
This idea of black-and-white definitions -- "You're EITHER trans or cis, you're EITHER gay or straight, you're EITHER male or female" -- that is the essence of homophobic bigotry that LGB Alliance types have tried to retcon into being a big gay tradition
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NoTheOtherGuy and
And I think people fall into the trap of trying to defend ideas like this because they don't want to give oxygen to the idea "conversion therapy works" etc. Which, again, I see as a mistake -- it's not about whether conversion therapy "works", it's a moral atrocity either way
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NoTheOtherGuy and
*Of course* some people who live in a homophobic society who are subjected to conversion therapy will, as a result of this, avoid gay sex and stay in het marriages who otherwise would've Of course that's why they do it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NoTheOtherGuy and
I disagree with conversion therapists about what's going on under the hood in such a scenario -- I think the societal benefit of doing this isn't worth the suffering and trauma it causes But from a black-box perspective of securing compliance, sure, it works just fine
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NoTheOtherGuy and
Plenty of trans kids with affirming parents and communities are coming out early in life who, if they'd been born in 1970, likely would've never come out in their entire lives, and just suffered silently with feelings and impulses they didn't know what do with That's good!
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NoTheOtherGuy and
The terfs are reminding me of the toxic side of the Behaviorist movement in psychology. The idea was that all behaviour and actions are the result of external stimuli, there's no underlying thought or reasoning behind anything. If someone does something weird, their (con't)
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Replying to @Zendervai @arthur_affect and
perception is off, it's not that they have a thought process that's not what the psychologist thinks is "normal". A lot of terfs refuse to believe that people have their own internal lives and that all that exists is what you can see from outside. Which is obviously wrong.
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Replying to @Zendervai @NoTheOtherGuy and
The fundamental basis of any "ROGD"-style moral panic is stripping agency away from kids who make decisions you don't agree with and it's horrifying And as we can see with "ROGD parents" it doesn't stop as actual kids, they'll treat you as crazy all through adulthood
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And it is in fact based on this really creepy wishful thinking that internal states just don't exist That if you can browbeat or threaten or pressure someone into *pretending* not to be trans around you, that means you've actually changed who they are inside, you've "cured" them
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NoTheOtherGuy and
It always makes me wonder what the internal thought processes of these people are actually *are*. Is there just...no introspection or any level of situational analysis? Do they really just go through life exclusively reacting to things without any inner life?
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Replying to @Zendervai @arthur_affect and
I was thinking about this. Other people (society, etc) tell us: “hi, here’s your gender! I picked it for you!” and isn’t it wild that people say “yeah, cool, seems legit”?? Even before I came out I way always wrestling with gender. Are there people who just...do not do that?
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