What are the odds of having two GNC kids? Cough ROGD cough
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Replying to @alexrubner @JesseThorn
Hey I thought the official TERF party line is being GNC is perfectly natural and nothing to be ashamed of and the problem is parents "pushing" GNC kids into being trans Guess that was a lie
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Replying to @arthur_affect @JesseThorn
You're a maths genius, right. What are the odds that a two-podcast family living in California with a book on trans kids to peddle, what are the odds that people like that have TWO (2) gender non-conforming kids?
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you do know about the law of large numbers, right
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Moreover, this kind of argument presupposes that if transness is to be tolerated at all we have to imagine it descending upon people's heads like a bolt of lightning by chance And if it seems to occur by anything other than a perfectly random lottery then it's sinister and fake
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Luarien and
Which is nonsense -- being trans, like literally every other thing a human being can be, has to be the result of some combination of genes and environment Siblings raised in the same household share both The odds of clusters of trans siblings should be pretty good
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Luarien and
Also, I feel the role of acceptance is massively undervalued. Someone who is in a bigoted environment is less likely to even think about being trans. If parents had regular conversations about gender; the number of people who would be able to identify as GNC would increase
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Replying to @NoTheOtherGuy @Luarien and
See yeah I'm actually perfectly fine with saying trans-accepting parents are more likely to have trans kids, and that there is a "social contagion" of trans acceptance within communities making it more likely for kids to come out
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NoTheOtherGuy and
Why on Earth shouldn't that be true? It'd be absurd to argue that there don't seem to be more gay people around now than in the 1950s It's only when you put a sinister black-and-white gloss on things like this that it becomes a battleground
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NoTheOtherGuy and
This idea of black-and-white definitions -- "You're EITHER trans or cis, you're EITHER gay or straight, you're EITHER male or female" -- that is the essence of homophobic bigotry that LGB Alliance types have tried to retcon into being a big gay tradition
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And I think people fall into the trap of trying to defend ideas like this because they don't want to give oxygen to the idea "conversion therapy works" etc. Which, again, I see as a mistake -- it's not about whether conversion therapy "works", it's a moral atrocity either way
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NoTheOtherGuy and
*Of course* some people who live in a homophobic society who are subjected to conversion therapy will, as a result of this, avoid gay sex and stay in het marriages who otherwise would've Of course that's why they do it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NoTheOtherGuy and
I disagree with conversion therapists about what's going on under the hood in such a scenario -- I think the societal benefit of doing this isn't worth the suffering and trauma it causes But from a black-box perspective of securing compliance, sure, it works just fine
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