Well, here’s this one.https://maximumfun.org/episodes/bullseye-with-jesse-thorn/david-mitchell-and-robert-webb/ …
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And I think people fall into the trap of trying to defend ideas like this because they don't want to give oxygen to the idea "conversion therapy works" etc. Which, again, I see as a mistake -- it's not about whether conversion therapy "works", it's a moral atrocity either way
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*Of course* some people who live in a homophobic society who are subjected to conversion therapy will, as a result of this, avoid gay sex and stay in het marriages who otherwise would've Of course that's why they do it
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It's also, historically, very new and deeply embedded in reactionary Enlightenment thought.
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