(The fact that the rejoinder to this argument is "Well just don't use the gamma rays, then, stupid! It was the gamma rays that were the problem!" is why comic books are dumb and people who care about them, like myself, are dumb)
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Replying to @arthur_affect
here's a way of reading what's up with zemo he's an old-money aristocrat from europe, and he feels status threat from *certain* superhumans based on that. that's the actual key to this, not the abstract philosophical stuff he goes on about.
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Replying to @perdricof @arthur_affect
Yeah, I keep coming back to this mentally whenever the "superheroes/gods/heroes: fascist?" talking point comes up. marginalized folks fuckin' love empowered heroes historically 'cause SOMEBODY can hold the rich to account. This sort of pseudo-egalitarianism feels more privileged.
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This myth of "beware the superman! we should all be empowered and no man have power over another, even personal!" isn't really how people who are actually destitute or oppressed think. but it is very much how mainstream folks who expect power over others from law & custom think.
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It's like how Lex Luthor's ultimate problem isn't this bullshit Morrison-esque "little guy standing up against a god," it's his FURY that some demigod NOTHING dares to come along and defy his capitalism-granted right to do what he wants to whom he wants for what he wants.
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Idk it just strikes me as one of those cases where a (typically well-educated, often hegemonic, and frequently comparatively elite) academic class tries to project their abstract values onto a marginalized population who don't so much want to redefine power as get some themselves
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Black Panther's box office and cultural impact would agree with you. I give non-academics a lot of credit. Lay folks do tend to think pretty deeply on stuff. But most people don't have radical views on these issues. Since radical views are definitionionally heterodox.
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It pairs pretty interestingly with socialists' complaints about "Black capitalism". An area of discussion where I am by no means an expert. But, I think there's a certain sense of "why the second we start getting power/wealth/status is it time to abolish wealth/status/power?"
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Like how as soon as same-sex marriage started gaining momentum people started going "Well why is there a legal definition of marriage at all"
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i mean tbf that line of thought does come straight out of queer liberation thinkers, much more do than conservatives
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Well yeah and conservatives aren't the ones who want to abolish capitalism either
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I've always felt, and I've said this before, that civil rights and leftism are not nearly as rigid bedfellows as the America-centric discourse - or, bluntly, the radical faction - want them to be. A LOT of civil rights struggles are ultimately about freedom to be conservative.
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("Be conservative" here meaning, ultimately, "be normie," not "be a regressive bigot.") But radicals are by definition, well, on the radical edge, and benefit from their ideology being conflated with civil rights, even before we hit the realities of American politics.
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