The butch women I've communicated with did not have to show any genitalia. That would have been harassment. Most of them agree with being challenged since they want safe spaces for women, but some thought it embarrassing. And this is something to talk about.
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Replying to @MEVring @arthur_affect and
If they never had to show genitalia, SRS wasn’t the de facto requirement, right?
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Replying to @life_minutiae @MEVring and
Your view on this all seems to be about how you can breach the single sex boundary and use women's spaces. Why can we not discuss a different option? Why is using women's facilities the only solution that is acceptable to you?
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Replying to @ZombieTron @MEVring and
I mean this is exactly what I’ve been asking in these threads - are you looking for me specifically to change my day to day behavior - but it seems like it gets deflected when I ask that
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Replying to @life_minutiae @ZombieTron and
I don't know you or your day-to-day behavior. Nor if you have no problem passing as a woman, or if you look like a lumberjack with a beard. If you feel more comfortable in women's toilets, fine. but would you continue to, if those toilets were filled with masculine-looking men?
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Replying to @MEVring @ZombieTron and
They’re not though, we build policy for the world we have
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Replying to @life_minutiae @ZombieTron and
Right now the toilets are not filled with men, true. Give it some time. Separate spaces are being removed for uni-sex spaces because public places can't be bothered, and they no longer have to. Women are withdrawing, slowly, but still. In some places preferring to stand in long>
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Replying to @MEVring @life_minutiae and
lines to enter single spaces, rather than uni-sex spaces. Words go out between friends about where to meet, that still provides what women themselves think have safe spaces, and other places are shunned. After covid and all the working from the safety of our homes, women might >>
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Replying to @MEVring @life_minutiae and
decide to stay at home more. Which is not good. Teenage girls no longer hang around in malls, have you noticed? They are at home. The world is no longer a safe place for them, not because of toilets, but because of society, in general, is toxic. There's more at stake here.
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Replying to @MEVring @life_minutiae and
I have not noticed because I also have not hung out at a mall in ages (long before COVID) as part of a general and much-remarked-upon decline in mall patronage as people do more shopping and socializing online
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The idea that the major driving force here is *the existence of trans women* and what's why society seems so much more indoors these days is some wild, wild extrapolation I know it makes sense inside the TERF echo chamber but in the real world you sound like a huge asshole
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Replying to @arthur_affect @MEVring and
I will also add that I have been in buildings with universal gender-neutral restrooms fairly rarely in the past but when I was (in theater and convention spaces) the crowd around me was generally dominated by cis women, sometimes absurdly so
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Replying to @arthur_affect @life_minutiae and
Like I said: Give it a few years. Women have been very outgoing, keeping businesses going. Now they are withdrawing. I see it, not just because of Covid, but because many say they do not feel safe. Why do you think the whole "reclaim the streets"- thing happened? If women fail>>
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