That they'd lost their way in science-fiction gimmicks and Technobabble of the Week and tropey fandom shipping shit and forgotten the Elements of Drama
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
That the core concept of Voyager still "works" if you take all the science fiction elements away A proud ship of explorers blown by a storm into strange and distant seas, clinging to their memory of the Great City of "Earth" in a savage hinterland racked by poverty and war
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
The "Borg" just being another dime-a-dozen predatory civilization of rapacious raiders and looters and slavers The worst cruelty they enact on their victims being that they steal your children to raise as their own, who grow up thinking that their ways are good and right
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
The playwright desperate to carry out the very serious mission of keeping the archon of the polis from declaring another brutal war by showing Captain Janeway and Seven of Nine resolve their differences peacefully
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
That young Seven, a poor orphan girl stolen from the Great City of Earth to be raised in the ways of deceit and betrayal and taught there was no law in this harsh world but strength, could be brought home by Janeway, with enough patience and kindness and trust
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
That the Great City of Earth only came to exist because her own ancestors had left the way of hatred behind long ago, and learned a better way (This is, notably, what Voyager was supposed to be about and almost never actually was about)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
(The "We need to learn to trust Seven so she can learn that trust is a value to be reciprocated" thing never really panned out Neither did "We must hold onto our values to be better than the Kazon and Hirogen etc. we're trapped among")
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Replying to @arthur_affect @fightuntil and
one of the constant failures of trek is that the writers of trek are committed to writing the federation but secretly don't actually believe in the federation "talk it out with the aliens? reject violent domination? embrace openness and vulnerability? UNREALISTIC!"
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Replying to @perdricof @fightuntil and
Yeah well Capitalism and surrounding culture will always have their way I mean Gene didn't fully believe his own hype either and absolutely had a warmongering imperialist shoot-the-bad-guys side (he had Kirk end up being pro-Vietnam intervention)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
But also, obviously, when he himself wanted Star Trek to get more talky and idealistic and rational both the suits above and his underlings below would revolt Nobody wants to watch that shit We want to see Kirk strip his shirt off and get in a fistfight
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Cf. the infamous disaster of Star Trek the Motion Picture followed by the immediate damage control of Wrath of Khan
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
I love (I mean hate) how this conversation turned into “capitalism bad!” Good job everyone, so proud.
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Replying to @JGavinSanders @perdricof and
I guess it's not exactly "capitalism", in a hypothetical socialist utopian Star Trek future you'd still end up pandering to popular tastes because you just want people to actually watch your stuff (ironically, a theme of the Doctor's "holonovel" stuff on Voyager)
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