"You should be calling it science FANTASY" Okay bitch then literally every single fucking thing they printed in "science fiction" magazines in the first half of the "Golden Age of Science Fiction" in the '30s was "actually science FANTASY" It all had swords and magic and shit
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ToccoTrevor and
The sheer audacity it takes to say that Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers and John Carter (which Lucas was shamelessly just ripping off) isn't "really science fiction" Come on guys
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ToccoTrevor and
Anyway it's the same with Campbell's disciples wanting to cut their genre ties with The Thing From Another World and Invasion of the Body Snatchers and The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms and The Walking Dead and, yes, OG classics Frankenstein/The Invisible Man/Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ToccoTrevor and
They said that science fiction should be an OPTIMISTIC genre, a genre that was PRO-tech and PRO-futurism If the story talked about "Things Man Was Not Meant to Know" and showed humanity defeated and helpless in the face of new tech or aliens or whatever, it wasn't "really SF"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ToccoTrevor and
They believed this so strongly, of course, precisely because at the time they were wrong "Science fiction horror" stories about new inventions going horribly wrong or about discovering something new and strange that kills us all have ALWAYS been bestsellers in the genre
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ToccoTrevor and
And so the snobbery of SF nerds was about really aggressive gatekeeping Back in the day when they said "I'm into *science fiction*, not schlocky 'sci-fi'" what they specifically meant was those "monster movies" the studios were cranking out all the time
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ToccoTrevor and
But, again, if you're trying to claim that "science fiction has to be about humans coming to understand and overcome the strangeness instead of being defeated by it" as objective truth and not an aspiration, well, you're just wrong You're still wrong today
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ToccoTrevor and
Science fiction arguably started with a Gone Horribly Wrong horror story with Frankenstein and what Asimov frustratedly referred to as "the Frankenstein complex" (fear and horror of new tech) is all over the place today Because people who feel that way aren't, you know, wrong
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ToccoTrevor and
Is Black Mirror not "science fiction" because it's "horror"? Like, a lot of it clearly is just "horror" but some of it is some of the most "realistic" and prescient SF anyone's seen in recent mass media
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ToccoTrevor and
I don’t understand the compulsion to label everything.
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Marketing, more than anything else, helping consumers develop their taste and know what to buy
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Replying to @arthur_affect @cylonjohnson and
Hence my example, as robinsonades are still made, we just don't usually call them that because it's not useful to anyone except academics and a very small subset of nerds.
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Replying to @arthur_affect @cylonjohnson and
Need to go deeper, are old myths About magic weapons like Joyeuse just science fiction of the time?
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