I mean come on the intentionally retro Rocky Horror Picture Show has "horror" in its own title but its introductory theme song is titled "Science Fiction Double Feature"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ToccoTrevor and
Anyway the attempt to build a hard barrier between "science fiction" and "horror" came from within the SF community, a lot of whom were really ideological and snobbish This was a whole theme of Joseph Campbell's deliberate push to change the genre during his career at Astounding
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ToccoTrevor and
He was a chauvinist who wanted to harshly sever the ties between science fiction and fantasy (no more "planetary romances" and "space operas" with space swordfights and space castles and space princesses), even though that kind of shit is how the genre started
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ToccoTrevor and
People internalized his baleful gatekeeping glare at any and all corny, commercialized celebration of obsolete feudal values and aesthetics in "what SHOULD be a genre about the FUTURE" that you get people straightfacedly arguing *Star Wars* isn't science fiction
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ToccoTrevor and
"You should be calling it science FANTASY" Okay bitch then literally every single fucking thing they printed in "science fiction" magazines in the first half of the "Golden Age of Science Fiction" in the '30s was "actually science FANTASY" It all had swords and magic and shit
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ToccoTrevor and
I used to be one of those Science Fiction vs Science Fantasy guys. Honestly it only works if your familiarity with the genre is limited. Once you take in the breadth of it, there's no clear place to draw the line, and the distinction is worthless.
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Replying to @keeltyc @arthur_affect and
There was a time, I think, when American media tried to draw a hard line. You'd have, like, Ben Bova and Asimov on one side, and George Lucas and Gene Roddenberry on the other. Mostly that was from about the 1970s through the 1990s, as far as I can tell.
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Replying to @keeltyc @arthur_affect and
But man, you bring in the stuff that was coming out of Europe or Japan in that same era, and there is NO line, it's just creative people letting themselves create. So *maybe* it works if you confine yourself to American media in a 20-30 year span.
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Replying to @keeltyc @arthur_affect and
That said, I admit I have been caught up more than once arguing that Neo's powers outside the Matrix break the rules and therefore prove no one was ever really outside at all....... But I'll still call it sci-fi. lol
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Replying to @keeltyc @arthur_affect and
I really have always felt this was a massive misreading. All it means is that Neo’s jack has wireless capabilities he didn’t know about
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It's a hint to the thing in The Matrix Online where all the Machines were always programmed to follow human orders and never fully escaped that core Second Law of Robotics, they just layered over it with rationalizations and obfuscations
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Replying to @mssilverstein @arthur_affect and
I swear I am not intending to perpetuate a fight here, I'm just going to say for me, saying "They were never outside the Matrix" in no way diminishes the mystical and philosophical elements, and in fact in many ways strengthens them.
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