I think what's telling about genre discourse is that the Nerd Genres, fantasy and science fiction, act like the definition of a "genre" is having "rules" about what's "allowed to happen" in the setting, and nerds think all genres work this way when mostly they don't
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This is why when Cavalier and Clay broke huge I loved the book, but was annoyed by a lot of the readers.
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I'm sure Jonathan Franzen has written something good but the first book by him was Purity and I had to give up somewhere in the twenty page description of sad eastern european molesting 14yos
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*I read by him. I even like a lot of litfic, Ernest Hemmingway is one of my favorite authors ever, but for modern books it feels like if you don't have at least a robot in there it's like... what's the point. It's fiction, you should have something strange in it.
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