I've been back and forth on that. The later books definitely confirm Graff gets let off the hook and was justified, but, the actual story says he totally was not. If the formics could have figured out that the humans were not inevitably an enemy so could he
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @nberlat and
I feel as if Ender (like Card!) apologizes for his own abusers, and that the kind of mentality that people who belong to very large church (and probably other types of religion, I'm just familiar with church) organizations of forgiving to avoid conflict do come to dominate
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @nberlat and
This is why I'll defend the first book most of all, it certainly had the most influence on me and it says nothing about forgiveness. It's entirely about understanding, and then displays someone's trauma reaction to having a massive horror revealed to them.
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @nberlat and
In the film adaptation with Harrison Ford phoning it in as Graff, I could easily have seen Ender pulling out a gun and shooting Graff as an alternate ending cut. There's definitely no forgiveness there.
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @segfaultvicta and
I haven't seen the film. Graff is definitely in the right in the book, though, and being right kind of trumps other moral claims in situations like that, I think.
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Replying to @nberlat @segfaultvicta and
Which part is he right about? It's been a few years so I may be missing the part you're referring to. He's not right that they had to do any of it - the formics were never coming back. It was all for nothing
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @nberlat and
He's *described* as "right" in the sense that the humans had *no way of knowing* if the formics were ever coming back and if they didn't win the war in this one all-out effort the formics could've overwhelmed them in the next invasion
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl and
yep. "we couldn't have known so this of course is what we had to do, even if we ended up being wrong about it."
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Replying to @nberlat @arthur_affect and
I think in later books it turns out the bugs were actually evil...though that's something of a betrayal of the earlier ones I think.
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Replying to @nberlat @BootlegGirl and
No, the hive queens never stop being sympathetic characters I think you may be referring to the thing I keep bringing up, the one short story with the Terrible Secret that drones actually can survive without hive queens (and therefore are technically slaves)
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But I mean he stacks the deck in that story -- drones kept apart from the hivemind can *eventually* evolve *rudimentary* intelligence, but nowhere near the queens' level, and they're sterile and therefore a dead-end -- if you freed all the drones they'd soon die out
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat and
(It is a very, very unsubtle metaphor for how you can't just let people be gay or the human race will end)
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