My fundie classmates who were actually smart despaired at how incredibly popular the NIV was when from any scholarly POV the NIV is an extremely loosey-goosey, agenda-driven translation
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Like it is very obviously starting off with what the evangelical interpretation of what the Bible means already in mind, then *using that to generate translations for concepts* Which most people who care about fair and logical debate think is cheating
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The thing is the really hardcore fundies were like "You shouldn't have to do this, if our doctrine is the plain meaning of Scripture then it can stand on its own without needing a thumb on the scales in the translation most people read" (It can't actually)
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Lots of random examples but the one that always gets me is them choosing the weak-ass phrase "sinful nature" to translate "sarx" in Paul's letters when "sarx" is a very simple, common Greek word with a very simple meaning "flesh"
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And to just jump ahead to the end of the debate and be like "Okay what he MEANT by that was -- " is to cheat and skip over the long and actually quite difficult question of what "the flesh" that makes you do bad things means And sounds way less metal
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I have said elsewhere that, in the tradition of True Detective S1, you get a lot closer to what *I* think Paul actually meant and also a lot closer to his truly deranged, guy-melting-down-in-the-subway emotional state if you translate "sarx" as "meat"
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"THE MEAT! THE MEAT! I'M TRAPPED INSIDE THIS FUCKING PILE OF FUCKING MEAT! I'M NOT DOING THIS SHIT, THE MEAT IS DOING IT, I'M SCREAMING FROM INSIDE THE MEAT BUT EVERYONE THINKS THE MEAT IS ME HOW DO I ESCAPE THE MEAT?!?"
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Isn’t it amazing how the core of almost every ideology/religion/philosophy is just attempting to resolve this dichotomy. All of us madly trying to figure out why we can’t control the impulses of our meat suits
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A great deal of what I consider to be both highly appealing and yet toxic about Christianity is this core idea of a "true self" that's different from the actual person you are in the world And pitting this "true self" against the actual, physical, meat you as enemies
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And Christianity, as the religion that pushed idealism in the Greek sense all over the world, being all about promising this final victory of the person you wished you were over the actual flawed you that exists Someday you will be the REAL you, who didn't do those things
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And then this shit won't matter anymore And the language and imagery used is violent, vicious, brutal -- that fake you, the wrong you, will be defeated, beaten, broken, smashed, KILLED, BURIED, THROWN INTO THE FIRE AND BURNED TO ASH
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This idea of violently tearing yourself out of a filthy chrysalis to emerge brand new, innocent, and free, and clean It's this really raw deep psychological stuff The Passion followed by the Resurrection Tortured to death on the Cross, then the stone rolling away from the tomb
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Death and rebirth, the symbolism of baptism And I go with the theory that baptism was originally a lot more hardcore, that the point of it is traumatic initiation, simulated drowning They held you down until you thought you were actually going to die
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