They act like they believe the NIV Bible appeared written in English on magic tablets inscribed by God, and God also inscribed the current year's edition of the Oxford English Dictionary next to them so you can know what each word "objectively means"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @6502_ftw
Which is bizarre because the version of the Bible that appeared written on magic tablets inscribed by God is, of course, the NASB
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Replying to @epistemophagy @6502_ftw
My fundie classmates who were actually smart despaired at how incredibly popular the NIV was when from any scholarly POV the NIV is an extremely loosey-goosey, agenda-driven translation
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Replying to @arthur_affect @6502_ftw
Like it is very obviously starting off with what the evangelical interpretation of what the Bible means already in mind, then *using that to generate translations for concepts* Which most people who care about fair and logical debate think is cheating
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Replying to @arthur_affect @6502_ftw
The thing is the really hardcore fundies were like "You shouldn't have to do this, if our doctrine is the plain meaning of Scripture then it can stand on its own without needing a thumb on the scales in the translation most people read" (It can't actually)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @6502_ftw
Lots of random examples but the one that always gets me is them choosing the weak-ass phrase "sinful nature" to translate "sarx" in Paul's letters when "sarx" is a very simple, common Greek word with a very simple meaning "flesh"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @6502_ftw
And to just jump ahead to the end of the debate and be like "Okay what he MEANT by that was -- " is to cheat and skip over the long and actually quite difficult question of what "the flesh" that makes you do bad things means And sounds way less metal
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Replying to @arthur_affect @6502_ftw
I have said elsewhere that, in the tradition of True Detective S1, you get a lot closer to what *I* think Paul actually meant and also a lot closer to his truly deranged, guy-melting-down-in-the-subway emotional state if you translate "sarx" as "meat"
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"THE MEAT! THE MEAT! I'M TRAPPED INSIDE THIS FUCKING PILE OF FUCKING MEAT! I'M NOT DOING THIS SHIT, THE MEAT IS DOING IT, I'M SCREAMING FROM INSIDE THE MEAT BUT EVERYONE THINKS THE MEAT IS ME HOW DO I ESCAPE THE MEAT?!?"
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Romans 7:15 is extremely unpoetic and literal but for that reason it is extremely memorable, as a summary of human nature in general and ADHD in particular https://biblehub.com/romans/7-15.htm
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Replying to @arthur_affect @6502_ftw
Perfect example of how exact language makes a difference in a version or interpretation’s meaning and context.
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Replying to @arthur_affect @6502_ftw
I'm in dexamphetamine withdrawal right now so thank you for this
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