And like if you argue that that it doesn't mean that the RTD advocates take that as an attack -- the slippery slope argument -- and staunchly deny it And even then, since the heyday of Dr. Kevorkian, they've massively lost ground
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
The disability rights movement's consensus right now is openly and passionately against RTD as a concept They argue fiercely that suicide *cannot* be a "rational" decision made dispassionately and personally within the confines of your own head It *always* has a social context
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
In particular that a disabled person is under constant psychological attack from a society that hates them and tries to brainwash them into believing in their own worthlessness Even if they seem to take their lives by their own hands it's really society that killed them
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
And even if they passionately argue for their own individual right to die, by trying to stop it you're fighting for them against the voices in their heads, which are really the voices of flesh-and-blood human beings who've been their enemies the whole time
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
I think this is a very good argument that in many cases is obviously completely true, and that I have bigger problems with Suicide Discourse that says "No one can be 'driven to suicide' and suicide is never any other person's fault" than the "Suicide is never rational" stuff
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But, you know It is hard to have this argument It cuts right to the heart of a lot of things about "Why are we alive, what do we owe each other, what do we owe ourselves" and all that shit
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
I'm very insecure about saying this right now and am leaving it in this reply chain rather than putting it on main because I know people would say it's irresponsible for me to even be putting this stuff out there
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
Like, I believe in "suicide contagion", as a practical matter obviously it's true -- the more you talk about it the more likely it is people are to do it
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But the hardcore pro-RTD people, who are mostly gone now, would say that this is like making up the phrase "quitting your job contagion" and saying you should stop talking about quitting your job all the time or everyone's gonna want to quit their job
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
(To be fair, a lot of that particular wave of pro-RTD people from like the '80s -- the Hemlock Society etc -- are gone because, well, they killed themselves)
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It's just, you know, this is THE QUESTION and the question is SO IMPORTANT that it's a question people who hold strong opinions on it actively demand we do not discuss
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
Don't take my word for it, that's what Camus says at the beginning of The Myth of Sisyphus "There is but one truly serious philosophical problem and that is suicide"
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Which he wrote in 1955, and which if he wrote today someone would definitely tell him -- justifiably -- was a potentially irresponsible thing to put out there where vulnerable people could see
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