Also, you're getting annoyed at NASA spending money on space missions, when there's other things you prefer the money to be spent on. But I don't see why that's the fault of NASA, especially when the money isn't real.
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jesus fuck this is the problem with you in this argument you just, really, really, want for space travel to be a good thing that you can enjoy, you are pure "Let People Enjoy Things", repeatedly, and any time anything is inconvenient to that it just disappears like manpower
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I don't "want for space travel to be a good thing". I outlined several ways of thinking about things, each of which would judge it to be a good thing. You have said that there's no point and we might as well enjoy things, so I use that argument and suddenly it's not valid.
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Replying to @phyphor @Nymphomachy and
You started off by talking about PlayStations. Then you backtracked. Then you claimed not to be moving the goalposts. Then you decided to go off on another tangent. Every time I've met you at the point you've made and you've claimed I've done something wrong.
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I didn't fucking backtrack! I brought up PlayStations because I was speaking cavalierly and because I think of a PlayStation as something that is decadently expensive and yet not nearly as much so as SENDING SHIT OUT OF EARTH'S ORBIT.
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The total cost of the PS5 rollout is *hugely* bigger than the cost of Perseverance, especially if it's not just the PS5 but all the money poured into designing the games for it The thing being we don't count that as a "loss", they made their money back -- people paid for it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy and
But that's neoliberal thinking, blatantly so As you say, money is just a way of keeping score, of voting for shit The labor and the materials and the time were spent either way, the profits they made are just people voting that "Yes I enjoy this and think it's worth it"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy and
You could in some kind of fully neoliberalized world completely get rid of NASA's "costs" and turn it from red to black on a balance sheet if you privatized it all Found a way to Kickstart a Mars rover or give it a Patreon or charge money for tickets to see the data
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy and
I dunno how all that would work but in theory it's possible But it wouldn't really, fundamentally change anything The resources were still spent, and you're still justifying the spending of those resources saying "It brought these particular people pleasure"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy and
And, like, a hardcore Austrian school ancap guy would be like "But they had the RIGHT to cast that vote because THEY provided more value to society than others, which is where the money they spent came from! The market is the CORRECT way to prioritize human desires!"
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I hope we can agree that these people are, in fact, turds And that because they are turds the whole "Who exactly gets to vote how we as a society spend our collective effort" is a big unsolved problem still
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