I mean I was being glib with my PS5 comment but considering that we're all basically on hospice and there's very little hope for anyone, I do think that it's better to invest in bread and circuses than, say, real estate development
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And maybe science is circus enough for some people?
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Replying to @phyphor @Nymphomachy and
You: The world is dying so we might as well just give up and enjoy ourselves. Scientists: *enjoy themselves by doing science* You: Not like that! People: *enjoy the science show* You: You know you're just supporting an orthodoxy you've had inculcated in you from childhood ...
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yeah I'm pissed off about organizations *with responsibilities* that have huge war chests putting that money toward a very esoteric and fleeting circus when there's still millions of people going without BREAD, thank you for playing
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And they can eat PlayStations? That was your original point and you've said you're not moving the goalposts so I just want to check.
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Replying to @phyphor @Nymphomachy and
Also, you're getting annoyed at NASA spending money on space missions, when there's other things you prefer the money to be spent on. But I don't see why that's the fault of NASA, especially when the money isn't real.
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jesus fuck this is the problem with you in this argument you just, really, really, want for space travel to be a good thing that you can enjoy, you are pure "Let People Enjoy Things", repeatedly, and any time anything is inconvenient to that it just disappears like manpower
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I don't "want for space travel to be a good thing". I outlined several ways of thinking about things, each of which would judge it to be a good thing. You have said that there's no point and we might as well enjoy things, so I use that argument and suddenly it's not valid.
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Replying to @phyphor @Nymphomachy and
You started off by talking about PlayStations. Then you backtracked. Then you claimed not to be moving the goalposts. Then you decided to go off on another tangent. Every time I've met you at the point you've made and you've claimed I've done something wrong.
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I didn't fucking backtrack! I brought up PlayStations because I was speaking cavalierly and because I think of a PlayStation as something that is decadently expensive and yet not nearly as much so as SENDING SHIT OUT OF EARTH'S ORBIT.
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The total cost of the PS5 rollout is *hugely* bigger than the cost of Perseverance, especially if it's not just the PS5 but all the money poured into designing the games for it The thing being we don't count that as a "loss", they made their money back -- people paid for it
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But that's neoliberal thinking, blatantly so As you say, money is just a way of keeping score, of voting for shit The labor and the materials and the time were spent either way, the profits they made are just people voting that "Yes I enjoy this and think it's worth it"
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You could in some kind of fully neoliberalized world completely get rid of NASA's "costs" and turn it from red to black on a balance sheet if you privatized it all Found a way to Kickstart a Mars rover or give it a Patreon or charge money for tickets to see the data
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