the whole thing from his famous version in the Nolan films is that his origin makes no sense and he has no real reason for what he's doing, so it's like... Nolan specifically makes it clear that he's bullshitting, he didn't really lose his wife or get beat up by his dad
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and in all previous versions and most recent versions, basically all of them except for the actual movie Joker, his motivation is nothing even vaguely close to "working class anxeity" or "male angst" or whatever
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like, Tyler Durden is probelmatic as hell and no one should sympathize with him, but "at least he's an ethos" the Joker is not an ethos
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You say that like it's a bug, not a feature. The Joker is big and attention grabbing without being ideologically specific enough to stop you projecting your own frustrations on to him. He's not NOT economically anxious, he's not NOT frustrated with women choosing chads, etc.
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The origin story I like for the Nolanverse Joker, that he's a US black ops guy who went full Apocalypse Now in Iraq, still places him in the position of perpetrator, not victim
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He's someone who, like Killmonger, destroyed his own humanity by doing horrible things until he was numb to them and it felt normal Then he came to the full realization that the justification he'd always had for doing them was weak bullshit And then he broke
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But his full awareness of the evil he'd become didn't push him to change, to atone, to try to fix the mess he'd made He decided to keep on doing it because he really couldn't do anything else, he'd become his job Now he kills for NO reason and not bad reasons
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Which I think is compelling and a cautionary tale in the exact opposite way as Joaquin's Taxi Joker Power as helplessness, strength as weakness What does profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his soul, etc
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Like, Batman had a moment like this when his parents died, and another series of moments when he went to China and joined the League and realized how deep corruption is in everything and how hard it is to be the good guy But he didn't *give up*
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"There is a difference between you and me. We both stared into the abyss. But when it stared back... You blinked." - Batman to Owlman, Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths
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