You are a black and white thinker and have exactly the kind of attitude that I reject: that Scott was fair game because his OPSEC wasn't perfect. Also, do you have evidence for your claim?
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Replying to @NotoriousAapje @davidgerard and
If his name was such a big secret then why have I, someone who has never been within 100 miles of him irl and openly despises him and most of the people he knows, known it since 2014
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NotoriousAapje and
Anyway this, itself, is black and white thinking, absurdly so Extrapolated even a little way out it makes the concept of journalism impossible - "You're NOT ALLOWED to say things about me I don't want said"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @NotoriousAapje and
This whole argument reminds me of the (slightly bizarre) rule at Wikipedia that it's a community violation to publicly acknowledge (on or off site) a Wikipedian's off-site identity if that Wikipedian doesn't want it acknowledged, *even if it is widely known*.
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Replying to @AB9RF @arthur_affect and
I've always thought that rule was weird, but I know a lot of people who think it's perfectly reasonable. What I don't know is how widespread such notions about the right to control one's identity online are, beyond the frankly odd Wikipedia community. Is this generational?
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Replying to @AB9RF @NotoriousAapje and
Reddit used to consider it one of their most critical, foundational principles Unfortunately when Adrian Chen forced the issue on them by "doxing" the moderator of r/Jailbait their attempt at enforcing this principle just made them look like pedophiles to the whole country
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Replying to @arthur_affect @AB9RF and
It's interesting because while I fully believe accountability there mattered, I think it also exposes the thought line on why people see journalists as 'out to get' them. To the journalist, it's an article; to the subject, it's their life turning upside down.
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Replying to @ElianaCSummers @AB9RF and
Well, okay, sure But Chen absolutely did intend to get r/Creepshots and r/Jailbait shut down, not just to "write an article", and saw "doxing" u/violentacrez (Michael Brutsch) as this last resort to put pressure on him because Reddit wouldn't do anything
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ElianaCSummers and
I mean, Michael Brutsch was not just sitting around minding his own business The subs he co-created and maintained turned LOTS of people's lives upside down, that he just didn't care about (or actively got off on), and neither did Reddit
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ElianaCSummers and
I mentioned before that Chen was pushed to act because a teacher's suggestive photos got spread around after showing up on r/Creepshots and she got fired because of it At that point you have clear, unambiguous evidence of harm
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A ton of this "Journalists vs. the Internet" stuff is based on a lot of Internet people being straight-up creeps who feel genuinely entitled to "turn lives upside down" without ever being made vulnerable themselves
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Replying to @arthur_affect @davidgerard and
Remove the second "Internet" and you nailed it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @AB9RF and
Agreed, that's an elegant way to state it, thanks
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