Chen commented about the grotesque irony of this, that r/Creepshots was a community *founded* on the casual invasion of privacy for sexual gratification (surreptitiously using a phone to photograph women in public spaces caught in suggestive poses)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Rationalist69 and
It was, of course, not illegal in the United States, based on the same aggressive interpretation of photography as a form of free expression that enables actual celebrity paparazzi to be a thriving industry But then, neither was finding out Michael Brutsch's name and posting it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Rationalist69 and
Chen wrote at the time about how he felt his hand was forced by the absurd ethical inversion of Reddit's hypocrisy Brutsch's ID - which was a fairly easily discoverable "open secret" among his online friends - was sacrosanct simply *because he was a Reddit user*
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Rationalist69 and
Reddit's admins and corporate leadership thought the rule against "doxing users" was ironclad and *nothing else was* The women on Creepshots weren't (known to be) Reddit users, so they weren't people but "content", the ethic became "Don't like the content for subscribe"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Rationalist69 and
Chen wrote at length about how he struggled with this decision - it "felt wrong" for him at first too - but ultimately it's an absurd taboo Protecting Brutsch's privacy at the expense of hundreds of women's isn't the law and it isn't anyone's idea of "ethics" outside of Reddit
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Rationalist69 and
The fact that this incident still looms so large - Reddit had the gall to ban Chen but not Brutsch over this, and people still defend that and call Gawker a "doxing ring" over it - tells you how absurdly narcissistic and tunnel visioned "freeze peach" culture is
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Rationalist69 and
And note that the argument that posting the women's photos without names or info didn't constitute "doxing" or harm is plainly false Chen was moved to act after a teacher was recognized from going viral off of Creepshots and fired for having "inappropriate photos online"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Rationalist69 and
Anyway what Chen really wanted to do here, besides get r/Creepshots taken down by whatever legal means possible, was to make Reddit's hypocrisy about "censorship" obvious And he succeeded extremely well
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Rationalist69 and
Reddit had spent months refusing to touch a sub that was an endless scroll of surreptitious cleavage or upskirt shots of random women because of the First Amendment But they frantically scrubbed any mention of Michael Brutsch's name from the site, because "doxing"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Rationalist69 and
Taking their principles to absurd levels, outright "censoring" r/News from linking to a mainstream news article about the controversy, because "Reddit doesn't dox Reddit users" It's horseshit and it's beautifully illustrative horseshit
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"Free speech principles" are ALWAYS selective because they logically HAVE TO BE and the people most strident about being "free speech absolutists" are the most absurdly hypocritical
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