I'm not really interested in discussion from the Watsonian perspective which is why I wasn't engaging in whether Cypher literally did nothing wrong in a detailed analysis of the precise events of the narrative. That's not a particularly enlightening debate
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Replying to @dulcedejae @sadmac7000
I was sleep deprived and angry at someone who just called me an American Imperialist for wanting to get a coding job instead of, I dunno, living off GoFundMes for the rest of my life, and I decided to do some dark snark.
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Again, if we're being outright literal about the Matrix, we're essentially looking at a Seraphite/WLF situation (and Morpheus and his crew are the Seraphites). Religious zealot terrorists against the somewhat conservative but not super complicit guards of modernity
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So in that scenario, Cypher is a spy who does a brutal thing in a war with no real good guys, but where if I was going to pick a side, I would pick the other one
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @sadmac7000
Yeah I agree that if you interpret the film painstakingly literally then Morpheus and the crew don't come off great. Like, they're seeking to destroy the system keeping all of humanity alive for the sake of philosophical authenticity
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Replying to @dulcedejae @BootlegGirl
And, of course, at the end of the third film, they find a solution that involves negotiating with that system rather than destroying it.
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I liked The Matrix Online portraying the two "extremist" factions as equally misguided (but understandably so given their trauma)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @sadmac7000 and
The Cypherites are never going to get the whole population of Zion to just agree to peacefully plug back into the Matrix even if the Machines actually put that option on the table
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But the E Pluribus Neo faction clinging to the original goal of collapsing the Matrix completely - which most fans of the movies still thought of as the obvious heroic stance - is also obviously genocidal madness Everyone would just die
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It's funny that the big reveal of what happened to Neo - his mind went back into the Matrix to be reborn as an ordinary person - energizes both factions The Cypherites thinks this proves even the One accepted the Matrix in the end, the EPN take it as a betrayal from the Machines
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Did the Deus ex Machina *reward* Neo for saving them or was it a final stab in the back because Machines are incapable of true gratitude and can never choose relinquish control Maybe both Also what does it say that his new form is a woman named Sarah Edmonton
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Mostly that the Wachowskis like anagrams ;)
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It's just that at this point the trans reading wasn't even subtext anymore
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