Yeah but my personal, highly projecting (but again, the Neo trans take everyone LOVED from me was also projecting)version of it is that metaphorically Cypher is trans but tired of being roped into the DSA and encouraged to make bad career choices and just wants to work for a bank
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @dulcedejae
Except in the movie's version of that, this involves literally helping the cops kill all the other trans people...
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Replying to @sadmac7000 @BootlegGirl
I think that's focusing too much on the literal events in the film. The point of the thematic resonance isn't to read Neo as a literal trans person in a literal fight to the death with cops, the events are simply resonant of the tension with societal expectations
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Replying to @dulcedejae @BootlegGirl
Fair in general, but I don't think that's an adequate framework for defending Ellie's "thesis" at the start of the thread
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Replying to @sadmac7000 @BootlegGirl
I'm not really interested in discussion from the Watsonian perspective which is why I wasn't engaging in whether Cypher literally did nothing wrong in a detailed analysis of the precise events of the narrative. That's not a particularly enlightening debate
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Replying to @dulcedejae @sadmac7000
I was sleep deprived and angry at someone who just called me an American Imperialist for wanting to get a coding job instead of, I dunno, living off GoFundMes for the rest of my life, and I decided to do some dark snark.
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Again, if we're being outright literal about the Matrix, we're essentially looking at a Seraphite/WLF situation (and Morpheus and his crew are the Seraphites). Religious zealot terrorists against the somewhat conservative but not super complicit guards of modernity
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So in that scenario, Cypher is a spy who does a brutal thing in a war with no real good guys, but where if I was going to pick a side, I would pick the other one
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @sadmac7000
Yeah I agree that if you interpret the film painstakingly literally then Morpheus and the crew don't come off great. Like, they're seeking to destroy the system keeping all of humanity alive for the sake of philosophical authenticity
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Replying to @dulcedejae @BootlegGirl
And, of course, at the end of the third film, they find a solution that involves negotiating with that system rather than destroying it.
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I liked The Matrix Online portraying the two "extremist" factions as equally misguided (but understandably so given their trauma)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @sadmac7000 and
The Cypherites are never going to get the whole population of Zion to just agree to peacefully plug back into the Matrix even if the Machines actually put that option on the table
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Replying to @arthur_affect @sadmac7000 and
But the E Pluribus Neo faction clinging to the original goal of collapsing the Matrix completely - which most fans of the movies still thought of as the obvious heroic stance - is also obviously genocidal madness Everyone would just die
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