How do you feel about requiring "a mystery" to include the solving of the mystery? (It's a common comparison.)
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Replying to @ReadingDanger
I think it's similarly problematic, but I haven't personally seen (not to say it isn't happening) the same level of aggressive defense of that as a requirement and not a convention. I'm pretty sure there's a few classic mystery novels where the mystery is unsolved, fwiw
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @ReadingDanger
And overall I think the marketing based redefinition of mystery novels to exclude a huge swath of detective stuff is absurd. Chinatown is clearly, colloquially, "a mystery."
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Replying to @BootlegGirl
Oh definitely in both cases the "person on the street" would most likely use a broad definition. Personally I'm cool with people who are more invested/involved using a more precise definition among themselves, so long as they're not trying to go fix every random "on the street."
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Replying to @ReadingDanger
Except that they make it impossible for people to write stories with the person on the street definition and find an audience
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @ReadingDanger
As a person who is metaphorically on the street, in that I don't read detective novels, I would've thought that there being a solution was part of the definition of a "mystery," because I mostly think of them as a type of puzzle story.
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(My entire understanding of the movie _Chinatown_ is that it may be identical to _Who Framed Roger Rabbit?_ and somehow has something to do with the General Motors Streetcar Conspiracy.)
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Replying to @82_Streetcar @ReadingDanger
It is near identical to Who Framed Roger Rabbit, and is about a different real conspiracy (the theft of water for the expansion of California cities) from the same time period I guess I should say it's an example of mystery not ending with the protagonist getting the arrest
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The mystery is solved but it doesn't matter, no one will believe the protagonist and he can't save his love interest or anyone else
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @ReadingDanger
*nods* I could've sworn that _Who Framed Roger Rabbit?_, which I haven't watched, either---I don't watch movies---was about the streetcar thing, because I feel like I hear it cited a lot in that context?
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Yeah Who Framed Roger Rabbit? is about the conspiracy to buy out the Red Trolley company ("Red Car" in the movie) to dismantle their assets and take their right-of-ways to build the freeway
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Replying to @arthur_affect @82_Streetcar and
They poke fun at it in the movie, Judge Doom declares his mad dream to transform the country into a car utopia with highways and parking lots everywhere, cheap motels, fast food restaurants, etc. and they say it's something only a Toon could invent
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I do wonder how many people watching a kids' movie in 1988 had heard of the Pacific Electric "Red Cars" or realized they were real?
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