Their world led logically and directly to our world There is no going backwards in real life, if you somehow did you'd just end up back here again (the theme of A Canticle for Leibowitz and other snarky fiction about reinventing medieval times)
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I don't hold to Marx's dialectical materialism as gospel truth, but I do appreciate the basic idea behind it that you can only go forward, not back Marx was motivated to develop his theories partly in opposition to "romantic socialist" movements that idealized the old days
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like, its demonstrable that a lot of NA tribes were hella sustainable while similarly teched settlers REALLY fucking werent.
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Sustainable by necessity (because you have no industry, metallurgy, etc, & instead your technology is all about exploiting & managing biological resources) is not the same thing as sustainable by choice (NA tribes paid BANK for metal implements & factory-made goods)
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See: the fate of the Moa of New Zealand, and after their extinction due to the practices of indigenous people, the collapse of the Haast's eagle population that depended on them as a food source. Not all older practices were more sustainable. Rapanui clearly wasn't either.
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really hard to get people to understand that "a bunch of townhomes all mashed together" is approximately 1000% percent more environmentally friendly than "one thousand green-certified cottages each on their own patch of woodland"
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your consumption habits matter a tiny bit to your environmental footprint more relevant is the system and the infrastructure that exists to support those habits e.g. whether you and the next thousand people each commute on a separate road in a separate car, or all on one train
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Yeah, I mean, if you go back by letting 7 billion people die, then our resource use will definitely go down.
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"saving the environment means going backwards" is almost certainly true as regards human population, which (assuming even a whisper of the natural world) is at least 4 billion over carrying capacity.
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Best definition of sustainability imo is from Paul Chefurka http://paulchefurka.ca/Sustainability.html … ""Sustainability is the ability of a species to survive in perpetuity without damaging the planetary ecosystem in the process."
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