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    1. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 19 Dec 2020

      Orwell's diagnosis of Tolstoy's anger at Shakespeare is that Tolstoy had very strong *moral* opinions that you can see all through his work and got really mad at Shakespeare's tragedies for "violating his moral sense" Apparently Chekhov's sad plays fall in the same category

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    2. Dr. Samantha Hancox-Li‏ @perdricof 19 Dec 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect

      shades of tolkien flipping out at lewis because aslan is in fact distinct from jesus

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    3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 19 Dec 2020
      Replying to @perdricof

      Well... The ending of the Narnia books does make it super painfully clear he's Jesus ("he no long appeared as a lion to them")

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    4. Baal Ska Tov‏ @mssilverstein 19 Dec 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof

      Yeah, I mean, he's dang close, but I don't think Tolkien liked having any daylight there (or having Jesus spending time in Narnia)

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    5. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 19 Dec 2020
      Replying to @mssilverstein @perdricof

      Tolkien wasn't really comfortable with Fantasy Jesus appearing onstage in a fantasy setting at all, that's why he personally never did it, even though Middle-Earth obviously exists in a Christian universe

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    6. Dr. Samantha Hancox-Li‏ @perdricof 19 Dec 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein

      well that's the thing, right? tolkien didn't believe there was such a thing as "fantasy jesus." there's jesus and there are false idols, that's it. lewis otoh had the much more woo-woo view that all his fantasy christs are just christ in different guises--many paths to one end

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    7. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 19 Dec 2020
      Replying to @perdricof @mssilverstein

      I mean maybe They were both unabashedly fascinated with classical mythology and pagan gods and goddesses I guess Tolkien was just much more careful and literal about it (the Valar are explicitly mushing together the Greek pantheon and Catholic lore about saints and angels)

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    8. Hoydenne‏ @iridienne 20 Dec 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof @mssilverstein

      Well, yeah, but everything in Tolkien's Arda is supposed to be the prehistory of our own world -- there are people in Middle-Earth who prefigure Jesus but none of them ARE Jesus.

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    9. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 20 Dec 2020
      Replying to @iridienne @perdricof @mssilverstein

      Sure, and that was a choice, just like CS Lewis inventing a wacky kitchen sink fantasy world and justifying it by saying it's just in a different dimension was a different choice, which Tolkien greatly disliked

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    10. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 20 Dec 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @iridienne and

      The theology behind saying that Christ's crucifixion in our world *only* was an act of substitutionary atonement for the sins of all sapient beings in this world, and that Jesus-as-Aslan had to die again in Narnia, is veeeeery iffy

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      Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 20 Dec 2020
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      Lewis basically addressed it by saying it was just for the sake of the story, that no two things are meant to be *completely* equivalent between Narnia and Earth (Aslan's death is *like* the Crucifixion but it isn't actually the Crucifixion) and otherwise avoiding the topic

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        1. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 20 Dec 2020
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          (It's especially iffy because of Lewis doubling down on the idea that humans in Narnia are and always have been descendants of humans from Earth because Adam and Eve were only created once, and the various implications of that he doesn't get into)

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        1. Dr. Samantha Hancox-Li‏ @perdricof 21 Dec 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @iridienne @mssilverstein

          this is the "literary interpretation" side i didn't talk about as much. where tolkien was like "fictions are representations of possible worlds and all possible worlds contain the savior christ," lewis feels much more in the "it's just a story, man, it evokes a /feeling/" vein

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