White women in the South who organized in favor of segregation absolutely did see it as a matter of "child safeguarding"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @dreckweb and
Lol at the idea that there's any kind of opposition between "reactionary" and "safeguarding" Every reactionary movement in the history of the world has positioned itself as a "child safeguarding" movement, it's the most potent possible rallying cry Read the 14 Words
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Replying to @arthur_affect @roarin_waterz and
talking about reality rather than perception/"positioning", though realise the identity brigade would struggle with that.
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Replying to @dreckweb @roarin_waterz and
So you're going with "As long as you remove all the times moms were wrong, moms are always right"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @dreckweb and
The funny thing is, like, you're removing *most of them* when you do that Prohibition, segregation, the Satanic Panic, Section 28/the Briggs Initiative, One Million Moms How much is actually left? What's the big famous "safeguarding" campaign that WASN'T reactionary
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Replying to @arthur_affect @dreckweb and
You know, I'd never actually thought about it in quite those terms before.
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Replying to @potaterator @dreckweb and
Even the "mom campaign" with the best press, MADD, has been shitty in a ton of ways Raising the universal drinking age to 21 was bad, pushing three-strikes and zero-tolerance laws was bad, opposing cannabis legalization was bad, backing Prop 22 was bad
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Replying to @arthur_affect @mmofcan and
I think you are mistaking "initiatives govt and men created and gave in response to women's protests" vs "things women actually requested" Three Strikes for example? Was meant to apply only for violent murderers, rapists who had high rates of recidivism. NEVER just felonies
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Replying to @AureliaCotta @arthur_affect and
(And those are highly US centric examples as well) Women organize well, and ask for critically important things, like childcare, and schools. Men love to take over our causes, shove us aside and pretend to help. See Bush and "no child left behind" which cut funding
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Replying to @AureliaCotta @mmofcan and
I don't give a shit about all this vague goalpost-moving OP asked a simple question with a pretty simple answer
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The number of times a movement of concerned middle aged moms has been on "the wrong side of history" is enormous, so much so that the argument they're some kind of exception is absurd, as is repeated special pleading that they're all the result of subversion by men
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Replying to @arthur_affect @AureliaCotta and
I mean, if all of the times a bunch of moms turned out to be horribly wrong is that they were subverted by men, it seems like... these movements are pretty easy for men to subvert then Maybe you should take a look at the one you're in and ask if it's happened again
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Replying to @arthur_affect @mmofcan and
Oh and as an experienced political organizer, no, I don't let it happen to ones I am in. Unfortunately, I cannot do anything about pre-existing movements that were taken over years ago.
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