And when Buddhism first came to China from the West ("the West" meaning India) the government was wildly reactionary against it for similar reasons -- it seemed to undermine fundamental Confucian values Han Yu's Remonstrance of the Buddha's Bone is a fun read
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I mean it's a hot take but it's actually kind of literally true Confucius believed -- and Mencius elaborated on -- this idea that if you truly cultivate a virtuous understanding of your place in the world, society just works, automatically Everyone knows their job and does it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @RiffChick and
This phrase we talk about so much in modern SJW liberalism, "negotiating consent", was something Confucius didn't like In his taxonomy of different professions merchants who make their living "haggling over prices" were close to the lowest of the low
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Replying to @arthur_affect @RiffChick and
I think this is discourse we've still got going on today I mean who doesn't feel like that The concept of "emotional labor" gets blasted a lot as "neoliberal" Capitalism brainwashing you to turn everything into a transaction, to demand an hourly wage for being a friend
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Replying to @arthur_affect @RiffChick and
"Let's negotiate a contract for what exactly I can expect from you and you can expect from me as spouses" feels revoltingly inhuman, a joke from 50 Shades of Grey And yet when you expect everyone to just know what a good friend or a good spouse does... you get disappointed a lot
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Replying to @arthur_affect @RiffChick and
It's funny how this stuff evolves Confucius' original stuff as transmitted to us by Mencius is very abstract, very much saying if you just meditate and work on yourself and try to be a *good person* this stuff will eventually fall into place for you, even if it takes a long time
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Replying to @arthur_affect @RiffChick and
So-called "Neo-"Confucianism was going "Okay fuck it this isn't working, let's sit down and actually write a gigantic book of universal rules everyone has to follow" Sort of like Thomas Aquinas' quest to turn the simple teachings of Jesus into this giant tome
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Replying to @arthur_affect @RiffChick and
Zhu Xi (Chu Hsi), one of my putative ancestors, made his life's work being a huge catalogue extrapolated from the basic theory of how master/servant husband/wife father/son friend/friend relations should go in Confucius, into a huge list of rules both legal and ritual
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Replying to @arthur_affect @RiffChick and
It's from him that most of the negative stereotypes of "Confucianism" actually originate, much like most of the stuff everyone hates about Christianity started developing in the Catholic Church centuries after Jesus' death
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But you can see how to a lot of people a literal manual for "How To Be A Good Husband" or "How To Be A Good Wife" or "How To Be A Good Parent" is an appealing concept I mean what else are religious leaders and philosophers supposed to do What do we pay them for
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Replying to @arthur_affect @RiffChick and
Conversations I can walk away from when they get boring or dogmatic?
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