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Mad genius, comedian, actor, and freelance voiceover artist broadcasting from the distant shores of Lake Erie (he/him)

Broadview Heights, Ohio
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    1. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 15 Dec 2020
      Replying to @GreenBeing6

      I'm not *making* the argument here, I'm just stating that that's what I already believe and why I find people's intuitions that it can't be true so easy to dismiss

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    2. Green Being‏ @GreenBeing6 15 Dec 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect

      "and that's bad". What does "bad" mean there. I know this argument is preempting a criticism of a position you are taking in a related debate, not the meat of the main argument itself. You are still going to have to make "bad" coherent thing to say we shouldn't make families.

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    3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 15 Dec 2020
      Replying to @GreenBeing6

      My moral system is that to do so inflicts unjustifiable suffering, and the fact that this suffering is ubiquitous and normalized only makes it more immoral

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    4. Green Being‏ @GreenBeing6 15 Dec 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect

      Immoral in reference to what? If you want to throw out those other ungrounded intuitions about the value of life you have to give grounding for your own. Unjustified implies there is a theoretical just version of suffering, what makes your idea of the just version correct?

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    5. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 15 Dec 2020
      Replying to @GreenBeing6

      Honestly I don't think any suffering is actually justified, I only use that term in the relative sense

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    6. Green Being‏ @GreenBeing6 15 Dec 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect

      What does being "justified" mean in the sense you are using it. If at some point you aren't attaching these value judgements to a more grounded standard than values you were dismissing earlier, I don't see how the meaninglessness point can help your case.

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    7. Dr. Samantha Hancox-Li‏ @perdricof 15 Dec 2020
      Replying to @GreenBeing6 @arthur_affect

      okay, let's say arthur's a utilitarian now what

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    8. Green Being‏ @GreenBeing6 15 Dec 2020
      Replying to @perdricof @arthur_affect

      Not a moral realist btw. I don't have a way around this myself. I just don't think pointing out that someone else's moral stance has ungrounded value judgements is a good argument if you are then going to go on and make an argument for why something else is right to do.

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    9. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 15 Dec 2020
      Replying to @GreenBeing6 @perdricof

      Look if you believe that human reproduction is natural and therefore good in and of itself, fine, obviously I can't argue with that if you just take it as an axiom What I'm arguing against, empirically, is the idea that "natural" means "leads to happiness or fulfillment"

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    10. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 15 Dec 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @GreenBeing6 @perdricof

      Theists will just lay ideas on the table like "God don't make no junk", "God doesn't make mistakes", etc. and then bury you in a bunch of qualifications and "mysterious ways" shit when you press them on that because the world is verifiably filled with mistakes and junk

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      Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 15 Dec 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @GreenBeing6 @perdricof

      If you believe the nature of meaning is ineffable so if the whole grand human experiment comes to an end within five hundred years with all of us dying in some embarrassing collapse, that's still meaningful because God willed it, good for you 'Cause that's what's gonna happen

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        1. David DiSabatino‏ @DavidDiSab 15 Dec 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @GreenBeing6 @perdricof

          Just an aside, but it is this kind of writing that keeps lurkers like me reading you.

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