The Nazis were okay enough with it that a bunch of them fled to South America after the war
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Replying to @arthur_affect @veronicacris
Yeah, and like, the Nazis had a whole weird ranking of white people, but it didn't stop them from forming alliances with Italy, etc. All of this is flexible enough as circumstances necessitate.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @veronicacris
Yeah I mean A lot of people didn't use to think Irish people were fully "white" either Still, a lot of USians react weirdly when they hear that the Founding Father of Chile was named Bernardo O'Higgins
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Replying to @arthur_affect @veronicacris
Yeah - 'whiteness' is a complex and evolving concept, especially in America where it's largely distinct from where the lines are drawn in Europe. I mean, in Russia, Armenians are often called 'black' despite being literal Caucasians.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @veronicacris
In Ireland they had the term "Black Irish" to describe pale-skinned Irish people with dark hair and brown eyes (Which is, in fact, extremely common in Ireland, despite some fash-adjacent 20th-century groups getting all weird about how it signified foreign ancestry)
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Same thing in Scandinavia, people deciding it was normative to be blue-eyed and blonde and saying a "Black Norwegian" is someone with black hair who therefore is descended from southern foreigners at some point in history Highly unscientific but a whole cultural thing
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Weirdly, when the Vikings invaded Ireland, they were called "the dark foreigner" The surname "Dougal" or "Doyle" was originally "Dubh Ghall", "dark foreigner" or "dark stranger" The racial-purity theorists in Ireland decided this means black hair came from Scandinavia
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Everyone saying that they're the real blondes and that their dark haired population came from somebody else It's kind of funny if you ignore all the violence that came out of it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein
kinda of crazy too, because scandinavs are also very blond. Not even a good lie to be a good theory
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Replying to @veronicacris @mssilverstein
"Dark" was probably originally a metaphor, like "unknown" or "mysterious"
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But you know, who really knows, it was hundreds of years ago
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