(Obvs, it's a particularly mad fringe, but it's fostered of the same core idea. That patriarchy isn't a sociological problem, but an intrinsic one. Predator vs prey.)
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Replying to @OwenAdamsYT @LizardOrman and
Yes The Redstockings liked the Marxist analogy with labor To them homosexuality meant "dropping out of the market" (of reproductive labor) and obviously what that means depends on whether you're a boss or a worker
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Replying to @arthur_affect @LizardOrman and
A lesbian is someone quitting their job at the factory, a gay man is the factory owner shutting the factory down to retire to the Bahamas In this worldview, one is a result of oppression and one is an oppressor pretending to give up oppression while actually increasing it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @LizardOrman and
Redstockings in particular were explicitly this "housewife rights" movement "If I have to live as a woman in a man's world then I'm damn well going to demand a man give me his paycheck in return for access to my womb" And men who say they have no interest in that deal are worse
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Replying to @arthur_affect @LizardOrman and
TERFs - the majority of whom are middle class married straight women - still do say shit like this All the time Sheila Jeffreys went on about how married trans women transitioning were "betraying" cishet wives whose marriage contract entitled them to a "masculine husband"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @LizardOrman and
all the stuff in this thread i think reflects how incurious and unintellectual the modern terfs are like at least when the og terfs said "sex class" they really meant it and worked through what it would have to mean (e.g. that lesbians are the lumpenproletariat)
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Replying to @perdricof @LizardOrman and
Structures recapitulate without the need for conscious intent Married cishet TERFs absolutely treat "their lesbians" with the same kind of condescending pity many labor-focused radicals treat the long-term unemployed
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
"Goodness, she's been burnt by men so bad she'll never experience the joy of motherhood, poor thing"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
(When we were arguing about Dr James Barry I still remember one of them calling him "poor thing" "She had to spend her whole life living a lie and gave up marriage and children to protect her career, poor thing" Good Lord shut the fuck up you turd)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
Was this after mentioning the whole thing about the scandal with the governor?
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Yeah people have really romanticized the idea of Barry having a forbidden love with a man And are insistent on making this a matter of cishet tropes of "becoming a mother" and "giving up her baby" rather than the gay male romance it looked like from outside
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
I mean in the context of "protecting his career," surely its a better defense to reveal yourself to be a woman than to be thought gay in the 1700s(?)
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