One of the most underreported bits of information in the recent Gender Critical developments was the FAQ on the "Get the L Out" website. Nobody actually went to look at it after they started disrupting pride. All this "Lesbians suddenly not welcome at pride" talk, but...
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Replying to @OwenAdamsYT @arthur_affect and
...if you went to their website, they were explicitly anti pride, they insisted no women were born gay, but chose to be so, that there was no commonality between gay men and lesbians, and rejected being categorised together.
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Replying to @OwenAdamsYT @arthur_affect and
>rejected being categorised I can't wrap my head around that bit in particular
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Replying to @LizardOrman @arthur_affect and
It's the core of the gender critical issue really, they're radfems who often don't just see men as broadly the same thing as women, in a patriarchal structre, but as almost another species, tainted by masculinity and fundamentally unreconcilable with women.
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Replying to @OwenAdamsYT @LizardOrman and
Therefore, gay man and lesbians have no commonality, because it's like expecting a hungry lion and a hungry gazelle to share the same goals because they're both hungry.
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Replying to @OwenAdamsYT @LizardOrman and
This goes wider than gay or trans issues, it might sound like nonsense, but on the further fringes it reaches a spiritual belief that men are fundamentally a parasitic organism that has corrupted woman, not really human at all.
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Replying to @OwenAdamsYT @LizardOrman and
(Obvs, it's a particularly mad fringe, but it's fostered of the same core idea. That patriarchy isn't a sociological problem, but an intrinsic one. Predator vs prey.)
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Replying to @OwenAdamsYT @LizardOrman and
Yes The Redstockings liked the Marxist analogy with labor To them homosexuality meant "dropping out of the market" (of reproductive labor) and obviously what that means depends on whether you're a boss or a worker
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Replying to @arthur_affect @LizardOrman and
A lesbian is someone quitting their job at the factory, a gay man is the factory owner shutting the factory down to retire to the Bahamas In this worldview, one is a result of oppression and one is an oppressor pretending to give up oppression while actually increasing it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @LizardOrman and
Redstockings in particular were explicitly this "housewife rights" movement "If I have to live as a woman in a man's world then I'm damn well going to demand a man give me his paycheck in return for access to my womb" And men who say they have no interest in that deal are worse
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TERFs - the majority of whom are middle class married straight women - still do say shit like this All the time Sheila Jeffreys went on about how married trans women transitioning were "betraying" cishet wives whose marriage contract entitled them to a "masculine husband"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @LizardOrman and
all the stuff in this thread i think reflects how incurious and unintellectual the modern terfs are like at least when the og terfs said "sex class" they really meant it and worked through what it would have to mean (e.g. that lesbians are the lumpenproletariat)
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Replying to @perdricof @arthur_affect and
the modern terfs have all of the hatred but none of the theory, it's just disappointing
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