They specifically described lesbians as *giving up their leverage*, that if you don't have anything a man could potentially want, you're dropping out of "sexual politics" completely and can't be any help to your sisters
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Replying to @arthur_affect @lexichelle and
It's... Fucked up And political lesbians at the time were the same belief system, just picking the other option - "I *do* think we can all just quit our jobs and work for ourselves and we don't need access to male capital"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @lexichelle and
It's worth noting that the specific reason the Redstockings objected so strongly to gay people was this conservative preoccupation with babies that kind of pervaded 1970s politics All of society being based on who's gonna have the babies and raise them
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Replying to @arthur_affect @lexichelle and
One of the most underreported bits of information in the recent Gender Critical developments was the FAQ on the "Get the L Out" website. Nobody actually went to look at it after they started disrupting pride. All this "Lesbians suddenly not welcome at pride" talk, but...
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Replying to @OwenAdamsYT @arthur_affect and
...if you went to their website, they were explicitly anti pride, they insisted no women were born gay, but chose to be so, that there was no commonality between gay men and lesbians, and rejected being categorised together.
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Replying to @OwenAdamsYT @arthur_affect and
>rejected being categorised I can't wrap my head around that bit in particular
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Replying to @LizardOrman @arthur_affect and
It's the core of the gender critical issue really, they're radfems who often don't just see men as broadly the same thing as women, in a patriarchal structre, but as almost another species, tainted by masculinity and fundamentally unreconcilable with women.
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Replying to @OwenAdamsYT @LizardOrman and
Therefore, gay man and lesbians have no commonality, because it's like expecting a hungry lion and a hungry gazelle to share the same goals because they're both hungry.
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Replying to @OwenAdamsYT @LizardOrman and
This goes wider than gay or trans issues, it might sound like nonsense, but on the further fringes it reaches a spiritual belief that men are fundamentally a parasitic organism that has corrupted woman, not really human at all.
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Replying to @OwenAdamsYT @LizardOrman and
(Obvs, it's a particularly mad fringe, but it's fostered of the same core idea. That patriarchy isn't a sociological problem, but an intrinsic one. Predator vs prey.)
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Yes The Redstockings liked the Marxist analogy with labor To them homosexuality meant "dropping out of the market" (of reproductive labor) and obviously what that means depends on whether you're a boss or a worker
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Replying to @arthur_affect @LizardOrman and
A lesbian is someone quitting their job at the factory, a gay man is the factory owner shutting the factory down to retire to the Bahamas In this worldview, one is a result of oppression and one is an oppressor pretending to give up oppression while actually increasing it
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... How actually increasing it? Also why aren't all women lesbians then
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