The "white" race absolutely requires non-white races to exist that it can position itself as superior to. This is an inherent part of what "white" as a race is and why different groups have tried so hard to get integrated into the "white" race.
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Replying to @Eristae @arthur_affect
Can you name the race that, if it stopped existing, the white race would stop existing?
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Replying to @ILoveUTigerLily @arthur_affect
The "white" race positions itself in opposition (and as superior) to *all other* "races" that come and go. The "white" race hasn't always existed, nor has it always existed in the form it has now. But it needs an "other" to position itself as better than. That's what it *means.*
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Replying to @Eristae @arthur_affect
I’m not sure if you’re trying to say “European ethnic identification doesn’t exist” or “European ethnic identification has historical baggage.” but people who come from Europe are going to have some ethnic identification regardless of their relative power or lack thereof.
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You can easily imagine some alternate universe where some other race has oppressed what we call white people, but there isn’t even an imaginary universe where labor oppresses capital. That’s what I mean by a mechanical nature, and that’s why I don’t call class identity-based.
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... "The dictatorship of the proletariat" is right there in marxist text as an intermediate step towards socialism. You may not imagine it, but it is literally built into the concept of class warfare.
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There’s never any point where labor oppresses capital because, at any point, any capitalist can instantly stop being a capitalist and, health dependent, start being a laborer.
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If money actually worked the way the on-paper institutions and laws said it did, sure, this would be true My argument is that in the world as we actually live it, this is false, and this falsehood cuts to the core of what was so challenging about Marxist revolutions in real life
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ILoveUTigerLily and
The USSR and PRC never achieved that classless society because, wouldn't you know it, that "class consciousness" is remarkably persistent no matter what you do
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ILoveUTigerLily and
They maintained a class society, consciousness wasn’t the factor but the relations of production were simply managed by a single firm
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If you actually care a lot about this literal definition that we've been arguing about, that class is a matter of what happens on paper - of literally owning stock - then no, the USSR and PRC abolished capital very early on
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Anarcho_Toast and
Hell the PRC today, incredibly, still claims on paper to have no such thing as capital and owning stock Just something that functions incredibly similarly to it (Just like, technically, you can't "own real estate" in fee simple in the PRC but just a long-term lease)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Anarcho_Toast and
The fact that, obviously, China has a thriving stock market and an elite class of real estate speculators is evidence that in the crudest sense it's incredibly obvious you can be a capitalist without being a "capitalist" I'm arguing this is generally true
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