Okay but that's the whole thing, it's all socially constructed, including all the "mechanical" shit that underlies class, like the concept of property As we all know, money is just pieces of paper and bits in a computer, and so are titles and leases and laws
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The weird thing here is that I think I am a "class reductionist" in that I think race/gender/sexuality/all that good stuff *is class*, they are all "class structures"
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But what YOU call "class" is an extremely weaksauce definition of "class" (which is why the new breed of academics went looking for new words like "power structure" and "marginalization") There is so much more to it than what is written down on pieces of paper
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Yeah, that's the tragedy of marxism as a doctrine. They successfully defined that class and oppression transcend all historical societies... and failed to notice that it would also apply in their proposed alternate society.
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I'm actually really into marxism as a description of societal structure. It really works pretty well. It's just a bit of a bummer as a proposal to break the cycle, in practice.
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I’m not at all a defender of the USSR or China, as neither were triumphs of labor over capital, they just changed who owned the capital.
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Well, they tried and it didn't work For various complicated reasons, but one of which is that the underlying social power structure was obviously still present In China that concept of "good families" and "bad families" never left, even when on paper capital didn't exist
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They maintained a class society, consciousness wasn’t the factor but the relations of production were simply managed by a single firm
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If you actually care a lot about this literal definition that we've been arguing about, that class is a matter of what happens on paper - of literally owning stock - then no, the USSR and PRC abolished capital very early on
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