A lot of people arguing that if class were "merely another identity" then that means "if we just thought about it differently it would go away" As though there's any form of "identity-based" oppression for which that actually is truehttps://twitter.com/nberlat/status/1335848556096270338 …
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Replying to @arthur_affect
I would argue that, as an example, racial discrimination against Italians in the US is an identity based oppression that went away because it was thought about differently.
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Replying to @ILoveUTigerLily
I mean yes, in the crudest sense, since all oppression is carried out by humans who base their actions on their thoughts, all oppression could be ended by "thinking about things differently" The abolition of private property and class would just be people "thinking differently"
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Replying to @arthur_affect
I would argue that the relationship between classes (specifically here capitalists and workers) is more mechanical in nature. Any owner who profits without working is automatically extracting wealth from a worker. It’s a parasitic relationship.
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Replying to @ILoveUTigerLily
Okay but that's the whole thing, it's all socially constructed, including all the "mechanical" shit that underlies class, like the concept of property As we all know, money is just pieces of paper and bits in a computer, and so are titles and leases and laws
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Replying to @arthur_affect
You still haven’t addressed the parasitic nature of class that doesn’t exist for any of these “identity-based” oppressions. There’s no race that requires another race to exist.
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Replying to @ILoveUTigerLily @arthur_affect
The "white" race absolutely requires non-white races to exist that it can position itself as superior to. This is an inherent part of what "white" as a race is and why different groups have tried so hard to get integrated into the "white" race.
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Replying to @Eristae @arthur_affect
Can you name the race that, if it stopped existing, the white race would stop existing?
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Replying to @ILoveUTigerLily @arthur_affect
The "white" race positions itself in opposition (and as superior) to *all other* "races" that come and go. The "white" race hasn't always existed, nor has it always existed in the form it has now. But it needs an "other" to position itself as better than. That's what it *means.*
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Replying to @Eristae @arthur_affect
I’m not sure if you’re trying to say “European ethnic identification doesn’t exist” or “European ethnic identification has historical baggage.” but people who come from Europe are going to have some ethnic identification regardless of their relative power or lack thereof.
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Right, and "European ethnic identification" is not the "white race" And "racism" does not mean "I don't like people who look physically different from me", any more than "classism" means "I don't like people who have a different occupation than me"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ILoveUTigerLily
Yeah, this is why different groups *from Europe* fought to get into the "white race." Because being "European" doesn't mean being "white" and they wanted the benefits of being white.
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to me it seems like whiteness functions more like class than an actual ethnic or racial group. You could, in the past, literally buy whiteness as a title. (I am white so idk if this is 100% accurate, it's just how it comes across????)
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