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Mad genius, comedian, actor, and freelance voiceover artist broadcasting from the distant shores of Lake Erie (he/him)

Broadview Heights, Ohio
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    1. SpaceKujira‏ @SpaceKujira 27 Nov 2020
      Replying to @AmeliaRoseWrite @arthur_affect

      Somehow kind of guessed this based on Taiwanese and Hong Kongers and SE Asian Chinese sometimes seeming to have different patterns of Romanized names, never saw it written out before. Good to see a proper explanation.

      1 reply 1 retweet 15 likes
    2. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 28 Nov 2020
      Replying to @SpaceKujira @arthur_affect

      Same. I have a very general sense that East and Southeast Asian names seem different but lack any proper context to trace it, so this is a good launch point!

      1 reply 1 retweet 12 likes
    3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
      Replying to @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

      Yeah there's this viral NYT article from the 2000s about how the NYT's (and most US pubs') style guide for transliterating "Chinese names" as a whole bows to Mandarin cultural imperialism It gave the example of a random guy quoted in some NYT story as "Mr. Wu"

      1 reply 5 retweets 46 likes
    4. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

      Pointing out that, yes, this is technically correct, because his name is written in hanzi as 吳, and in Mandarin that's pronounced "Wu" But Mr. Wu, a working-class bus driver from Guangzhou, most likely *never* called himself "Wu" in daily conversation

      1 reply 3 retweets 38 likes
    5. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

      And his ancestors, for the vast majority of their family history, wouldn't have called themselves "Wu" either Because as a South Chinese family from Guangdong their actual native language was Cantonese, in which 吳 is pronounced "Ng"

      2 replies 4 retweets 51 likes
    6. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

      It's a difficult situation to translate into Western terms in modern times But it's like all these old-timey historical figures referred to only by their Latin names, names they'd never have used in conversation

      2 replies 4 retweets 44 likes
    7. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

      There is no "Christopher Columbus", there was a Cristoforo Columbo from the Republic of Genoa who later went by Cristóbal Colón when he became a Spanish subject There was no "Nicolaus Copernicus", there was a Polish guy named Mikołaj Kopernik Etc.

      9 replies 9 retweets 72 likes
    8. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 28 Nov 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @SpaceKujira

      I thought it might be something like that (historically Latinized names coming from the need to decline nouns), but I'm less familiar with Sino-Tibetan languages and prestige dialects

      1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
    9. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
      Replying to @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

      The real difference here is that China ended up with a logographic rather than alphabetic language So script ("spelling") and spoken language are far more detached from each other, and it's possible for everyone to read and write the same language pronounced totally differently

      4 replies 4 retweets 24 likes
    10. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

      Which led to a lot of historical weirdness, like what happened when Japan just adopted hanzi (kanji) wholesale even though Japanese isn't even *related* to Chinese, at all It's like a Monty Python joke (it's spelled "Luxury Yacht" but pronounced "Throatwobbler Mangrove")

      3 replies 2 retweets 23 likes
      Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

      But like you can imagine that if the Latin alphabet didn't have letters correspond to specific sounds, "spelling" could've been "frozen" a lot longer and more dramatically "It's spelled 'Iacobus' but it's pronounced 'Jimmy'"

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        2. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 28 Nov 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @SpaceKujira

          Given that English spellings are dependent on outdated pronunciations and borrowings from other languages/orthographies, though, it's not a big leap to make

          1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
        3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
          Replying to @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

          Yeah it's sort of vaguely similar to absurdities in English orthography like the way we spell "debt" (it's a "silent b" that is only silent in this one particular word)

          1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
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        2. Daniel Howell, NothingBiHalves‏ @NothingBiHalves 28 Nov 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @davidgerard and

          This is where I get to point at the Great Vowel Shift, which is why the town of Bury is pronounced differently depending on where in Britain you live.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift …

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        3. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 28 Nov 2020
          Replying to @NothingBiHalves @Shinydan and

          And now there's a second one in the US now, the Northern Cities Vowel Shift, which makes it difficult to distinguish "fail," "fill," and "fell" or "since" and "sense"!

          2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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