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Mad genius, comedian, actor, and freelance voiceover artist broadcasting from the distant shores of Lake Erie (he/him)

Broadview Heights, Ohio
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    1. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 27 Nov 2020

      Amelia Bloody Rose Retweeted 陳俊傑 Carl Tan Chun Kiet

      Interesting threadhttps://twitter.com/tanchunkiet/status/1332566007995535361 …

      Amelia Bloody Rose added,

      陳俊傑 Carl Tan Chun Kiet @tanchunkiet
      If you only knew Pinyin, what would you think would be the character for Tan, Heng, Kwok, or Hioe? Stumped right? That's because none of those names are derived from Mandarin. They're derived from other Sinitic languages like Hokkien, Teochew, Cantonese, and Hakka. 4/14
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    2. SpaceKujira‏ @SpaceKujira 27 Nov 2020
      Replying to @AmeliaRoseWrite @arthur_affect

      Somehow kind of guessed this based on Taiwanese and Hong Kongers and SE Asian Chinese sometimes seeming to have different patterns of Romanized names, never saw it written out before. Good to see a proper explanation.

      1 reply 1 retweet 15 likes
    3. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 28 Nov 2020
      Replying to @SpaceKujira @arthur_affect

      Same. I have a very general sense that East and Southeast Asian names seem different but lack any proper context to trace it, so this is a good launch point!

      1 reply 1 retweet 12 likes
    4. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
      Replying to @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

      Yeah there's this viral NYT article from the 2000s about how the NYT's (and most US pubs') style guide for transliterating "Chinese names" as a whole bows to Mandarin cultural imperialism It gave the example of a random guy quoted in some NYT story as "Mr. Wu"

      1 reply 5 retweets 46 likes
    5. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

      Pointing out that, yes, this is technically correct, because his name is written in hanzi as 吳, and in Mandarin that's pronounced "Wu" But Mr. Wu, a working-class bus driver from Guangzhou, most likely *never* called himself "Wu" in daily conversation

      1 reply 3 retweets 38 likes
    6. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

      And his ancestors, for the vast majority of their family history, wouldn't have called themselves "Wu" either Because as a South Chinese family from Guangdong their actual native language was Cantonese, in which 吳 is pronounced "Ng"

      2 replies 4 retweets 51 likes
    7. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

      It's a difficult situation to translate into Western terms in modern times But it's like all these old-timey historical figures referred to only by their Latin names, names they'd never have used in conversation

      2 replies 4 retweets 44 likes
      Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

      There is no "Christopher Columbus", there was a Cristoforo Columbo from the Republic of Genoa who later went by Cristóbal Colón when he became a Spanish subject There was no "Nicolaus Copernicus", there was a Polish guy named Mikołaj Kopernik Etc.

      12:23 AM - 28 Nov 2020
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        2. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

          And this isn't a neutral topic, this is a highly politicized topic The NYT style guide tells us to, for instance, use the "Mandarin names" of Hong Kong independence protesters who explicitly do not speak Mandarin and who view the imposition of Mandarin as a cultural attack

          2 replies 11 retweets 61 likes
        3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

          It is a very *difficult* topic, especially for a foreigner and cultural outsider The question of whether the different "dialects" of Chinese are different languages and whether freely "translating" them into Mandarin is offensive or is a cultural necessity is political

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        1. @devurandom@cybre.space‏ @_dev_urandom_ 28 Nov 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

          the same thing still happens in russian when the names come from ukrainian or belarusian.

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        1. Jeff Nichols‏ @backwards_river 28 Nov 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

          Excellent analogy.

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        1. Anaġi  ❄‏ @hopson3233 28 Nov 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @AmeliaRoseWrite

          pic.twitter.com/fw38XbJXtX

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        1. Let’s take a hike‏ @Selftoken 28 Nov 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

          The classic example of Yehoshua ben Yosef or something very close to it, not Jesus.

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        1. The Nerd Errant‏ @ErrantNerd 28 Nov 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

          "there was a Cristoforo Columbo" I get the point of this thread, but man, the Columbo jokes are writing themselves here.

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        2. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 28 Nov 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @SpaceKujira

          I thought it might be something like that (historically Latinized names coming from the need to decline nouns), but I'm less familiar with Sino-Tibetan languages and prestige dialects

          1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
        3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
          Replying to @AmeliaRoseWrite @SpaceKujira

          The real difference here is that China ended up with a logographic rather than alphabetic language So script ("spelling") and spoken language are far more detached from each other, and it's possible for everyone to read and write the same language pronounced totally differently

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        2. The Dude‏ @the__dude98 28 Nov 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @jeannette_ng and

          Except how did their contemporaries, who spoke different languages, refer to them?

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        3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 28 Nov 2020
          Replying to @the__dude98 @jeannette_ng and

          At the time it would've been most common for them to "translate" their name into their own language -- hence Columbus/Columbo "changing his name" when he moved to Spain -- and use Latin as a written lingua franca

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