Sure, but they were rich people and these weren't their "homes". I mean, i suppose you shouldn't steal from people? But i have a lot more sympathy for penniless burglars than for rich people who own summer cabins in Maine.
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It doesn't surprise me that Lavery is the opposite though, frankly. I have zero use for Daniel Lavery.
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Replying to @iridienne @GeorgeHemingto1
*shrug* I admit, at the time I was one of the people sympathizing with the guy, whom I saw and still see as very different from something like the Killdozer story, no violence, no revenge, just someone who couldn't live a normal life trying to find another way to live
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But Lavery was very harsh about his belief that this was still a toxic masculinity fantasy, of being a "hermit" who abandons all your responsibilities to the rest of society while still being dependent on society to live
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And deciding that it's just easier to live your life without working by stealing and violating boundaries and consent repeatedly rather than talking to people and making an arrangement that isn't based on deceit
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I'm still of two minds about it, like what I think is paradoxical is that if this guy had made a normal middle-class living off of skimming credit card numbers or something, Lavery's objections would all be moot, but he'd also lose all his folk-hero defenders
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Replying to @arthur_affect @iridienne
As referenced in my original post: I would genuinely recommend you read Hobsbawm’s “Bandits” if you haven’t already There’s a strong argument in there for the dual nature of banditry and its relation to social disobedience
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Replying to @GeorgeHemingto1 @iridienne
Yeah I mean like I said I feel like I get it I don't yell at kids for fantasizing about being "bank robbers" or playing GTA etc. Hell I even get why Joanna the Scammer is an ironically inspiring figure to so many people
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The Killdozer guy, though, is a straight-up fantasy of vengeance and redemptive violence, a mass murder-suicide narrative, and it's one that happened to real people only 16 years ago It's one of those things where the argument the story is problematic is very straightforward
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I can, from a dispassionate point of view, describe how I can imagine *why* someone would find Timothy McVeigh or the 9/11 hijackers a "heroic" narrative I just wouldn't expect to actually say that out loud in the United States and not get yelled at
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(Cf. Thomas Stockhausen, like two months after 9/11, saying that 9/11 was "the first great work of art in the 21st century" And if you actually parse what he meant by that, then yes, he's correct, but the edgelord way he said it made people very angry and they had a right to be)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @iridienne
I always that was an interesting quote in that insofar as aesthetics work (cf. Kant or similar on the nature of The Sublime), it’s far from untrue The fact that he bothered to say it for publicity is the much more unpleasant thing
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