Is it possible to pardon someone from state-law charges? I thought a pardon was no good for getting him out from the wrath of the NY AG.
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And wouldn’t constitute an admission of guilt? Like it would be funny if Trump rage quits, Pence becomes president, pardons Trump, Trump publicly accepts pardon, Trump gets prosecuted, and then that acceptance of said pardon is admitted into the record as evidence...
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Well, this isn't really true A pardon has no specific, clear meaning re: "guilt" or "innocence", it's just a statement the government will no longer be pursuing any action against you for your crimes
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Supreme Court disagrees for the last century. Burdick v United States, 1915. (Also, the DoJ refuses to admit they ever screw up, so their guidelines cannot admit that someone could have been falsely convicted in federal court, therefore, thou shalt not maintain innocence...
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Hmm, I actually didn't know about this This complicates the thing I vaguely heard about a while back about someone saying they rejected a pardon because they weren't guilty
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Replying to @arthur_affect @CZEdwards and
US v. Wilson (1833) apparently does say you can formally reject a pardon, although this was someone who was already convicted, sentenced and awaiting execution I'm not sure what would happen if you refused a pardon before you were even formally charged
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Replying to @arthur_affect @CZEdwards and
Well, the Susan B. Anthony Museum "rejected" Trump's pardon on her behalf, but obviously they don't have the authority to accept or reject anything on her behalf in a legal sense, and also obviously it's moot
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Replying to @arthur_affect @CZEdwards and
I thought that, in that case, it's because she accepted the arrest in protest in the first place. Her asserting her "guilt" was the whole point, so pardoning her was ridiculous.
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Replying to @eggynack @CZEdwards and
Sure, but there are plenty of other cases where everyone involved with a pardon understood that the point of it was to say "This shouldn't have been illegal to begin with"
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It's a UK rather than US case, but Alan Turing obviously was in fact guilty of breaking sodomy laws and having unnatural relations with another man The point of Gordon Brown pardoning him wasn't to say that case was incorrectly tried but that the law itself was bigoted and evil
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Replying to @elliotreed @arthur_affect and
Yep, a lot of people pointed out that Turing's pardon was an empty gesture unless every other person prosecuted under those laws was also pardoned.
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