He decided to bet everything on this instead of taking the obvious escape route of resigning during the lame duck period and having President Pence give him a general pardon (Which is... one of those loopholes that we should've closed by now honestly)https://twitter.com/BrianWithCheese/status/1326384373936091136 …
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Replying to @arthur_affect @CZEdwards
Is it possible to pardon someone from state-law charges? I thought a pardon was no good for getting him out from the wrath of the NY AG.
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And wouldn’t constitute an admission of guilt? Like it would be funny if Trump rage quits, Pence becomes president, pardons Trump, Trump publicly accepts pardon, Trump gets prosecuted, and then that acceptance of said pardon is admitted into the record as evidence...
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Well, this isn't really true A pardon has no specific, clear meaning re: "guilt" or "innocence", it's just a statement the government will no longer be pursuing any action against you for your crimes
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Replying to @arthur_affect @queerthecloset and
This is important, because many people pursue pardons after they've already served their sentence, as a way of "clearing their name" -- collecting evidence they were innocent and asking to be pardoned on that basis It's the same reason many posthumous pardons are issued
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Replying to @arthur_affect @queerthecloset and
But while a lot of people seem to accept the symbolic meaning of those pardons, other people have symbolically *rejected* pardons, on the view that being pardoned implies guilt (This has no legal meaning, once you're pardoned you can't just demand they have the trial anyway)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @queerthecloset and
Pardons are -- in my opinion -- kind of a messed up concept and fundamentally problematic, they're descended from the days of monarchy and their original philosophical justification is just the idea that the whole government is owned by the King the way someone owns a company
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Replying to @arthur_affect @queerthecloset and
But in the mean time, they are one way to right past injustices our legal system is known to have. Yes, they have to be considered by an ethical leader who is aware of the gravity such power has, but until we fix the fucked up system that created this mess...
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Replying to @BrentonPoke @arthur_affect and
Yeah, but on the other hand you get things like Trump pardoning his chronies and white supremacist war criminals / serial killers, and that one Republican governor who pardoned a bunch of sex offenders before his term ended as retaliation for voting him out
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Yeah this is the whole thing about living in a world where the state has the monopoly on force If a cop wants you dead he might do it by shooting you himself -- or he might find it more convenient to just refuse to enforce the law against murder when it comes to you
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