My theory is that, again, vampires don't lose their soul, that's just a myth they make up to justify eating people, and that Slayers like to justify killing vampires. Angel has the weird split personality but I have to assume it was CAUSED by that spell
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @perdricof
From the second I started watching Buffy, and characters began making pronouncements on the nature of the soul and who had one and who didn't I thought it was bullshit How the hell could the Watcher's Council have Ultimate Real True Knowledge of the nature of the soul?
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Replying to @jmatonak @perdricof
And the Watchers are Literally the Patriarchy and lied about everything Notably the reveal of that strongly implies the Slayer has a demon in her too
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I could actually buy the idea that a demon takes over the body of a new vampire, or has excessive influence, but not that there's a "soul."I'm still dubious since every other kind of demon has a physical form. You never see a vampire exorcism and Angelus doesn't have a demon form
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @perdricof
well, angelus has a vampire form where his forehead is bulgy and so forth i've never really been interested in parsing "bob" and "vampire bob" as separate entities- to me, it's all just bob and angel's "that was angelus!" nonsense is just special pleading
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Replying to @jmatonak @perdricof
All vampires in Buffy have the forehead thing, it's an... interesting stylistic choice that has been picked up by no one and seems to come from nowhere. That's not the same as like the demon that was in the evil kid, that took physical form when exorcised
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @perdricof
yes, i agree, whatever demon component a vampire has doesn't (and probably can't) exist outside of/without the vampire host
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Replying to @jmatonak @BootlegGirl
i still agree with ellie that "demons! souls!" are just a convenient metaphysical excuse to avoid thinking about this other question: what would the average american do if you gave them vampiric superpowers and a hunger for blood
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Replying to @perdricof @jmatonak
Food for thought (besides "BIT handled this better, so much better): Illyria/Fred. What happened there was basically like becoming a vampire except with a promise the soul was gone. And then the demon immediately became more human.
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Illyria was supposedly more sinister than any vampire demon, even Angelus. So how come they changed to be like Fred and vampire demons don't? My theory is, Illyria is one of the first real cases of a demon inhabiting a person we've seen. Maybe Angelus specifically is too
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My impression is that the "true form" of the demons that became vampires is the Turok-Han, the big scary "proto-vampires" who became the First Evil's army in the final season of Buffy
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl and
Which are extremely physically powerful compared to vampires but also kind of dumb and driven by mindless aggression What we call "vampirism" was the Turok-Han becoming mystically bound to the human species, only able to exist by overlapping with a human and sharing their body
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the turok-han are, unfortunately, constrained by the law of conservation of vampirism one hundred turok-han working together only have the power of one-hundredth of a lone turok-han, it puts a pretty hard cap on their overall threat level
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