Yes The truly offensive thing about this discourse isn't even that they're saying a barista at Starbucks or a programmer at a tech company or a middle-school teacher *isn't* working class It's that they say some fuckface "small business owner" with a shiny new pickup *is*
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
Yeah. I think the simplest analysis is something like "can you work in this field if you left your employer and hung out your own shingle" combined with at least a cursory look at income.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @arthur_affect and
So podcasters aren't working class if they have to rely on patreon? Or am I misunderstanding?
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Replying to @Gerkuman @arthur_affect and
If you're a full time podcaster, I don't think your situation is best described as "working class;" Patreon is a payment processing tool, not really an employer that owns any particular capital. Best fit in traditional Marxism is probably with other artists.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @arthur_affect and
I don't agree with that. But I admit that maybe that's because I associate the middle class with being jerks, and may want to hold onto the working class-ness if I move into the job I want. Anyway, rn it doesn't affect me since I have to work on a helpdesk for £18k a year.
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Replying to @Gerkuman @arthur_affect and
Oh wait, you're British? My understanding is that "middle class" means something very different there.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @arthur_affect and
Ohhh, right. Yes, I think this is the UK/US divide on working class vs middle class rearing its ugly head again. Sorry :)
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Replying to @Gerkuman @arthur_affect and
I've never really understood it over there, so like, what would the iconic middle class Brit do for work?
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Replying to @mssilverstein @arthur_affect and
It's a bit difficult to explain. Traditionally it meant things like GP's, upper management in a small company etc. but this 2013 study puts a modern spin on it by splitting the middle class in half (traditional and technical)https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_British_Class_Survey …
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Replying to @Gerkuman @arthur_affect and
Yeah, it makes it complicated. "Middle class" is essentially meaningless in the United States, because self-identified middle class people are like 95% of the population. The Simpsons, fwiw, are called "Upper Lower Middle Class"
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Like how the characters on Sex and the City are "lower-upper class", except Charlotte who's just upper-class It's a very NYC-specific phrasing
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Gerkuman and
The real class struggle in America is between people who call each other "lower middle class" and "upper middle class."
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Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein and
nyc is A Trip when occasionally you find out just how much wealth seemingly normal people have inherited
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